I'm extremely skeptical it's possible to model that in a significant way. I think 100% turnout from heretofore disenfranchised populations would have to transform our politics in ways that would affect both parties
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @PetreRaleigh
So I think transform parties is a different question from 'alter the balance between them.' We just had an incredible test-case for what happens if you massively juice voter turnout and the answer was very nearly static in terms of partisan balance.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @PetreRaleigh
BUT I think we can absolutely see that changes in the turnout model *are* changing the GOP - a lot of the Trumpy energy is coming from 'low propensity voters' after all who are just now turning out. It's caused a lot of sudden shifts in GOP positions e.g. on trade, etc.
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I think there is an assumption that a 100% turnout democratic party would be much more progressive, but this doesn't seem to be borne out by the data - left-progressives already vote at high rates, the low-propensity democratic voters tend to be more conservative.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
We've argued about this before, I think liberal/conservative self-identification is next to useless when thinking about what kinds of actual policy would be driven by different groups of voters.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @PetreRaleigh ja @BretDevereaux
Perfectly possible for instance for "conservative" voters like the low-propensity GOP voters you're talking about to realign issues in ways the left would favor
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @PetreRaleigh
I'm using terms as a means of twitter compression - there would be lots of complexity. David Shor has been showing up talking about some of the data, and his numbers suggest it is not clear 100% turnout would mean a uniform leftward movement as often supposed.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @PetreRaleigh
Anyway, if the left wants to embrace a pro-turnout approach on equity grounds, good for them. It is an equity issue. I just don't think they should fool themselves into thinking driving turnout up is going to shift issues in their favor; it's not clear it will.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
I don't think it's clear either and I absolutely think it's essential on pro-equity grounds. I also just assert that a 100% turnout US is totally unrecognizable, just a completely transformed democracy, and it's hubris to think we can assume it doesn't look that different.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @PetreRaleigh ja @BretDevereaux
I'm not trying to be cute here but if you think longstanding, bipartisan, structural barriers to voting haven't shaped policy outcomes I disagree as strongly as possible.
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So, again, I'm against barriers to voting. But Australia and New Zealand both have significantly higher voter turnout than the USA, right? AUS is like 90ish% and NZ is 70-85%, I think? Their politics are different, to be sure. Are they fundamentally transformed?
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
I don't know why I would assume we would have Australia's exact politics on this basis alone?
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