...like those of much of Gaul and Spain, the state/non-state typology still has tremendous value for understanding differences in the structures of these communities. 13/21
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The idea of 'state formation' is also valuable in situating Iberian and Gallic communities on a continuum of social change w/ Rome, at different points, rather than treating as completely alien forms of social org. because in many ways they are more similar than different. 14/21
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Moreover, abandoning the 'state' label completely makes the process of state formation - with its tendency to 'ripple' outward as non-state peoples form states to compete with neighboring states - harder for the student to discern. 15/21
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Of course we should stress in our scholarship and to students that state-formation is not one way! The Roman state forms, fails, reforms, fails *again*, reforms and then fragments leaving successor states and a large zone of non-state polities over western Europe. 16/21
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And it's a vision of cultural evolution which conveniently culminates in Western-style states. I wonder why that is?
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It doesn't though. Qing-period China? Clearly a state. Han period China - also clearly a state! Tokugawa-era Japan? Very clearly a state. There are indigenous American states too - lots in Mesoamerica, but I think the Iroquois also probably ought to qualify.
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Of the societies thought to be 'pristine' states (states that developed in the absence of contact with other states), exactly none of them were in Europe!
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'State' isn't a value judgement, it is an organizational descriptor. Steppe nomads? Super-successful, but generally not organized into states. Classical-period Sparta? Pretty clearly a state to me, but also pretty clearly a garbage society.
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If I say that Norway is a state, but that McDonalds is not, I am not expressing any comment on the relative value of either, merely that they are different sorts of things. Which they are. You might term both 'communities' in a loose sense, but different sorts.
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