I think your calculation for the length of columns could use some revision; Clausewitz says a division of 8k was an hour long, so your hypothetical brigade of 3k should be probably be considerably shorter than 1.5 miles
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @noodles_dandan ja @adam_tooze
Depends on theater considerations, spacing, road size, etc. I was working, as I recall, from ACW figures. The local population density and thus level of forage in 1860s America was much lower, requiring more wagons.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @adam_tooze
Perhaps, but that would call into question how representative those figures are. Frederick II used 25 file platoon columns for marches, and Napoleon remarked it was almost always possible to march through the area left and right of the road, and to use two files of vehicles.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @noodles_dandan ja @adam_tooze
That's why the estimates come with a range. I gave 8-12 miles per day for large armies in normal march, 15-20 for small detachments, with forced marches up to 35 miles per day.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @adam_tooze
Oh, I completely agree about the overall speed of marches, the only thing was that the columns seemed too long. I would wager most armies formed the broadest->shortest columns practicable, and that this was usually considerably broader than the road surface.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @noodles_dandan ja @adam_tooze
Yes, that's right, though to be fair, the road situation was probably about at its best case in Europe in the 19th century (compared to anything pre-modern), so Clausewitz is probably giving an upper-bound figure.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @adam_tooze
Hard to say. In C17, armies AFAIK marched in quite shallow formations when terrain was open enough, without being too concerned about road widths. Don't know how much ancient/medieval armies would be able to match this, though.pic.twitter.com/tE2rAMXBAJ
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Actually, come to think of it, the Roman triple column and square column both probably shortened the overall length of the army by using open space on either side of the line of march.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @noodles_dandan ja @adam_tooze
You mean Plb. 6.40.10-14? Note that he presents this as a non-standard formation, with the standard one (Plb. 6.40.1-9) being a single long column (note also Veg. 3.6). Polybius presents the virtue of the three-column order of march as being preparedness to fight, not speed.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @adam_tooze
Also Livy 31.37.1, 35.3.2, and 39.30.9 for the agmen quadratum [going off Lendon's notes]. Just emphasizing the point that troops in column were not limited to the width of road surface in antiquity any more than early modernity, so idk maybe they did use 'platoon' frontage?
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Note that all three advances are in the face of enemy forces, not movements over open country. 31.37 is skirmish between the Romans and the Macedonians in 200BC, 35.3 is the relief of Pisa, besieged by the Ligurians and 39.30 is an effort to force battle in Spain.
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