I guess I don't see anywhere Thucydides saying or implying "You know that good leadership you had with Pericles? Put the elites in charge, have that always!"
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Maybe. I tend to think that when people were reading it 15 or 20 years or more after the fact, they were probably not fact-checking it too strenuously, and Thucydides probably suspected they would not, as he had just then invented fact-checking.
"With reference to the speeches in this history...my habit has been to make the speakers say what was in my opinion demanded of them by the various occasions, of course adhering as closely as possible to the general sense of what they really said" (Thuc. 1.22.1).
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In short, the speakers of speeches do not speak for Thucydides. I also make that point in the conclusion here:https://acoup.blog/2019/12/05/collections-a-trip-through-thucydides-fear-honor-and-interest/ …
Kiitos. Käytämme tätä aikajanasi parantamiseen. KumoaKumoa
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To paraphrase Rex Warner's introduction: There is no way to reconcile the last 2 clauses with each other. I would like to believe these are close to real speeches bc I am a huge Thucydides fanboy. But my cynical heart says that they are mostly proto-narration.
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I don't think they're incompatible at all - and they're not usually read as being so. It's generally read as a "when I knew what they said, i wrote as close to that as I could, when I didn't, I wrote what I thought the moment would have demanded they say."
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