Presumably someone, at some point, has gone through film history and compiled the various visual signifiers of 'barbarians' (the random furs, lots of leather, facial hair, etc) origins/implications/etc? Don't suppose anyone has bibliography on that handy?
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
"Powerful facial hair = barbarian" is right out of Roman sources. IIRC Romans always made a point of being clean-shaven, whereas Celts went in for the fancy head and facial hair.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @grizwald87 ja @BretDevereaux
Similarly, is there anything more quintessentially barbarian than butchering an animal and wearing its skin around for warmth?
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @grizwald87 ja @BretDevereaux
the Romans also wore plenty of leather though, I don't see how it's "quintessentially barbarian"
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @desaparicion ja @grizwald87
er, on their shoes, yes. Not sure what you mean otherwise.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @grizwald87
yea sandals, straps, belts, satchels. I don't think the idea of taking an animals skin and wearing it was at all foreign to them
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @desaparicion ja @BretDevereaux
Consider what kind of leather and fur is typically associated with barbarism culturally: it's not an elegantly-crafted leather sandal. It's a wolf pelt with the head still attached that somebody poked a hole in and is wearing as a poncho.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @grizwald87 ja @BretDevereaux
"They did carry small wooden shields called parma for protection, and wore headdresses made from wolf skins so their brave deeds could be recognized."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velites
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im not saying they wore or used leather in the same way as the groups they called "barbarians", rather that the act of skinning animals and wearing that skin was by no means a uniquely "barbarian" or distinctly non-roman practice
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @desaparicion ja @grizwald87
To be clear, the groups they called barbarians also didn't wear leather in the way they are represented as having done. Gallic clothing was made of wool. Scythian clothing was made of wool.
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This is my point. "Hollywood Roman" involves a lot more leather than actual Romans because it 'looks ancient' and "Hollywood Barbarian" involves even more leather than that because it 'looks savage.' But actual Romans and actual 'barbarians' made their clothes out of textile.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @grizwald87
Yes I understand their use of leather is exaggerated in media, but I thought they did have tanneries and wore leather items such as shoes and satchels and the like? I didn't think the general practice of skinning animals would be perceived as "barbarian" to them, is that wrong?
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @desaparicion ja @grizwald87
Yes to leather shoes and satchels. The question here was never about leather accessories, but about depictions involving leather tunics, shirts, pants, bracers and so on and the main point if you note the original tweet, was the overuse of such in modern depictions.
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