It took place on the Net Assessment podcast with @profmarlowe and @capreble (and @EmmaMAshford for this one: https://warontherocks.com/2020/06/americas-foreign-policy-consensus-blobs-your-uncle/ … ).
There have been a number of policy 'open letters' on the topic flying back and forth. 5/18
The PRC gets very upset when groups in liberal democracies criticize the PRC. Look at the response to the NBA or Activision-Blizzard. I'm not sure why we wouldn't expect those demands to censor speech to become stronger if we leave PRC to be a regional hegemon.
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I am not suggesting this would be ideological in any sense. But a democracy which has free speech "except don't criticize the PRC's ethnic cleansing in Xinjiang" doesn't actually have free speech.
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if I may make an ancient comparison - Rome was largely non-ideological in terms of the local governments and client states it preferred. But demands of 'no fuss, taxes get collected, no anti-Roman agitation' meant that, over time, those governmentsmostly ended up as oligarchies.
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