As @Peter_Turchin just said a few minutes ago, he's "just scientist".
If you read Ages of Discord (or Ultra Society) he provides tools for seeing dynamic systems in histories. Then you can draw your own megahistory narratives.
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But the issue is with the underlying data itself. The temptation in so many of these 'megahistories' is to develop a narrative based on personal biases or on very recent history, which is then simply projected backwards over vast periods for which the data doesn't exist.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux, @redesign ja
If the data that sits beneath the model is broken, then the model itself is equally broken. Take for comparison the 538 guys and their election model. They are aggressively open about how, if the polls are wrong, then the model will also be wrong...
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...consequently, they spend a lot of time stressing uncertainty. Turchin doesn't stress uncertainty *at all* in his comments. He stresses confidence, arguing that the huge date-brackets on his study give him the kind of high confidence to make hard future predictions.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux, @redesign ja
And he openly compares himself to the historical-mathematicians from the Foundation books. What I am saying is - I *know* the data from some of these periods and, if you'll pardon the analogy - the polls are garbage.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux, @redesign ja
And with evidence that is quite frankly so difficult, so contradictory, and so frequently weak or non-existent, his entire method strikes me as deeply uncertain. So where is that uncertainty? Where is the epistemic humility in his approach?
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The answer is literally nowhere. Instead he proudly offers "terms of surrender" to the field of history. He is *supremely* confident in his presentation. There's a word for someone who presents uncertain things as confident facts: charlatan.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux, @redesign ja
Since you mention 538, Nate Silver in his book stresses that reductionist methods of predicting outcomes e.g. in the stock market or elections are almost invariably wrong and invite serious skepticism if not outright rejection. So he'd probably agree with you here.
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He's spent basically the last two months screaming that from every rooftop he could find. Human systems are necessarily complex systems and so we should be extremely cautious about trying to reduce that complexity and pretending that in doing so we understand it.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux, @MattLikesBanana ja
Bret, I understand why you are venting, I really do. I cringed in multiple places as I read Graeme's article. But keep in mind, your are reacting to his words, not mine. Read my work and I would welcome your criticism. You might start herehttp://peterturchin.com/cliodynamica/the-mad-prophet-of-connecticut/ …
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That's fair. I did speak over-harshly and you are right that Graeme does seem to have put some words in your mouth. I assumed he was more or less accurately representing the overall tone of interviews, but if not, then I am happy to be wrong!
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux, @MattLikesBanana ja
Thanks! And I am glad this Twitter conversation didn't degenerate to name-calling, as many of them, unfortunately, do.
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That article was remarkably clickbaity - really degrading both you and historians - it came off as an attempt to play up rivalry and set off a giant twitter beef. The Atlantic beclowned itself with that one.
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