...that idea, presented as somehow Turchin's genius goes back to - and I am not kidding - Heraclitus of Ephesus (d. 475 BC) and was put into modern scholarly form no later than L. Keeley's War Before Civilization (1997). But sure, tell me more about how you can math the history.
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The idea that he can accurately and mathematically track "a bloated elite class, with too few elite jobs to go around; declining living standards among the general population; and a government that can’t cover its financial positions" with any precision over 10,000 years...
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...is just plain laughable. The direction and extent of those changes is a point of real argument among actual experts (of which Turchin is not) for the Roman Empire, which is both 1) only 2,000 years ago and 2) without question the best attested society that old.
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And the idea that Turchin is " filling a historiographical niche left empty by academic historians" is just evidence that Graeme Wood doesn't know much about what historians are doing. There are lots of wide-angle histories of all sorts of things...
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...I've recommended a number on the blog! The 'niche' Turchin is filling is 'baseless speculation that sounds sophisticated to people who know little about the matter.' Sure, historians are not filling that niche. Nor should we.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
There's probably room for a "why megahistories suck" book out there. Just imagine the demand for a book that would allow you to dunk on your Diamond-quoting friends.
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I've had people burn bridges over the fact that, upon finding out that I was a historian, they immediately asked if I had read Jared Diamond, and I responded "yes, but his work is not taken very seriously in the field."
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Only a semi-facetious question: how are peasants without a four-year history degree supposed to come to an assessment of Diamond? Is there no layman-accessible work concisely critiquing or pushing back on these grand narratives?
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I suppose the intellectually consistent answer would be "stop having opinions about things you don't have a degree in" but that doesn't seem like a rule that could be practically applied to society in general.
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I have no problem with people having an opinion, or developing an understanding of the world based on the evidence they have. It is not reasonable to expect regular people to be experts in 10 different things. Experts can't be that either.
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I'd suggest that the correct heuristic is to know when to ask an expert and then to accept that, if the expert says that a mental model is flawed (and can explain why, to be clear), then it probably is. Rather than to burn bridges because they didn't like your fav. book.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
Seems correct enough, although asking an expert one-on-one doesn't seem like it scales too reliably to a societal level. Though it also does suggest finding one would behoove one to listen. Sorry to hear the conversations with your erstwhile friends didn't go as well.
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