Democratic deconsolidation was sufficiently common that ancient Greek writers theorized about it (e.g. famously Plb. 6.3.9-13). This is a real problem with political theories that don't reach past the modern period - the small sample set leads to absurd 'emprical' conclusions.
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So anyone telling themselves that their democracy is safe because "old consolidated democracies" never deconsolidate is fooling themselves. Self-government is fragile. It was fragile in Athens, fragile in Rome. Fragile. Handle your democracy with care. This side up
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I should add that I see no compelling argument that modern democracies are uniquely resistant to deconsolidation in a way that ancient democracies were not If anything, wouldn't we assume small, tight-knit democracies beset by security threats would be *harder* to deconsolidate?
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Even if we grant him his false premise; its still a terrible idea to claim something can't happen purely because it hasn't yet
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I was wondering how you’d foreseen that this particular take would be making the rounds today
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No idea! But the idea that consolidated democracies can't deconsolidate is an article of faith in some corners of the Political-Science world so I though tit might. Poli-Sci, generally, I think, is often poorly served by an excessively modern and European focus.
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And even then, it really depends what kind of deconsolidation you fear. Civil war? US, 1861-65. Coup? De Gaulle, 1958. Guerrilla warfare? Northern Ireland, 1969-98(ish). All very well-established democracies, and all pretty ugly outcomes, even if none went full dictatorship.
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and even then, the states arguably wasn't a "consolidated democracy" until the civil rights movement of the 60s
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which just gets to the inherent difficulty here of defining terms in a consistent way across literal millennia of social change athens was a "democracy" in the most literal sense, but does that mean that their system is "the same" as ours?
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Would you say that your blog post also questions claims that the Roman Republic collapsed solely because of demagogues who bought votes from the plebeians by promising hand-outs? That's a right-wing hot take I see a lot online.
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Yes, though I am not really breaking ground there. The 'bread and circuses' model of the collapse of the Roman Republic is pretty well abandoned and has been for quite a long time - at least since Syme (so, 1939) if not earlier.
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