The short video focused on the role of community and information exchange in the spread of farming, using it as an analogy for "another peaceful transition" (8:50) to a non-earth-bound civilization we may make in the future. But that's not what happened! 2/6
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But we have quite a bit of evidence now suggesting that it wasn't that the idea of farming spread, but that *farmers* spread, likely using their much higher population density to displace smaller numbers of non-farmers from resource-rich zones. 3/6
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That process would obviously have been violent. I am quite sure that people do not voluntarily leave resource rich zones to go starve and struggle in the hill country or semi-arid zones without at least trying to resist. But they'd lose because the farmers had numbers. 4/6
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Something which in turn answers a question the video poses but talks about (because it can't answer it): why shift to farming, when it is less healthy overall? The answer is "you shift to farming to get big enough group-size to defend your territory and resources." 5/6
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Warfare provides the pressure that forced otherwise maladaptive strategies. This is something we actually have growing evidence for: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228438092_Beating_Ploughshares_Back_into_Swords_Warfare_in_the_Linearbandkeramik … https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.0030410 … https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1000536 … Good quick summary of what we know in Lee, Waging War, ch1, too. end/6
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Coming from an aDNA standpoint: fairly "unmixed" hunter-gatherers (by lifestyle + genetic ancestry) survived in areas of Europe until quite late, living alongside farmers for a long time -- as recently as 3000 BC in Blatterhohle. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/342/6157/479 …https://www.nature.com/articles/nature24476 …
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And the hunter-gatherers and farmers extensively mixed and interbred across Europe (see Nature paper above) -- it doesn't seem to have been as crude as the farmers massacring and totally replacing the indigenes. Although, of course, there are ways of mixing that are not peaceful.
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Another wrinkle -- there's an interesting "resurgence" of hunter-gatherer genetic ancestry across Middle Neolithic Europe, apparently due to farmers mixing more with their local HGs, which hasn't really been explained yet.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959437X18300583 …
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Though it seems pretty certain that the Bronze Age transition in Europe involved some violence in some places (see link below for a shocking example), I'm personally uncertain this was so for Palaeo -> Neolithic (but I could be better informed!) https://www.pnas.org/content/116/22/10705 …
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+ this is a semantic quibble due to the field I'm steeped in, but the geneticist in me wouldn't call a strategy "maladaptive" if it gives you lots of kids (+ grandkids), even if it makes your life shorter and more painful!
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I am not so sure that interbreeding is the solid evidence of non-violent transition that it is often presented as by anthropologists. Bride capture and sexual violence are very common parts of pre-modern warfare in almost all societies. Intermarriage need not be peaceful.
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More broadly, I'm aware that pockets of hunter-gatherers were able to hold on, particularly, as I understand it, in resource rich zones where their own population density may have been higher. I don't see that this really changes the overall picture though.
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I'd also suggest that farmer-expansion could be violent without entailing wholesale massacre of the population being displaced, either by pushing them into marginal lands, or by violently incorporating them (cf. abduction warfare in pre-contact North America.)
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