Bret Devereaux Twitterissä: "...because statues fundamentally are not about the people they depict but about the *values* that person represents. Jefferson is safe not because he was perfect (he was *not*), but because he doesn't represent his imperfects, but rather his finest words. 18/22"

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Bret Devereaux‏ @BretDevereaux 13. kesäk. 2020

The irony here is that the first historian to complain that statues don't teach history *is*the*first*historian* himself, Thucydides. Seriously, Thucydides points out that the story behind the statues of the 'tyrannicides' in Athens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmodius_and_Aristogeiton#/media/File:Tiranicidas_04.JPG …)...8/22

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Bret Devereaux‏ @BretDevereaux 13. kesäk. 2020

...is a bit of a fib. The public assumed these guys killed the tyrants - after all, we made statues of them - but they didn't, they killed his brother. As Thucydides notes, "So little pains do the commons take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first..." 9/22

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Bret Devereaux‏ @BretDevereaux 13. kesäk. 2020

"...story that comes to hand." (Thuc. 1.20). Statues have always been about commemorating values, and have never been about teaching history. The statues of the tyrannicides communicated "Athens doesn't like tyrants" not "these two fellows specifically killed tyrants." 10/22

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Bret Devereaux‏ @BretDevereaux 13. kesäk. 2020

Now, it isn't that we don't have large, publicly funded history teaching tools! We do! They're called museums (and also to an extent, battlefield parks)! But statues are not teaching tools. No history is lost when a statue comes down. 11/22

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Bret Devereaux‏ @BretDevereaux 13. kesäk. 2020

On the flip-side, that means statues aren't *about* the people they're *of.* The statues of the tyrannicides weren't about Harmodius and Aristogeiton (the two fellows in question), they were *about* the overthrow of the tyrants in Athens. 12/22

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Bret Devereaux‏ @BretDevereaux 13. kesäk. 2020

So don't expect historians to rush to defend the statues. We've been complaining about them being bad teaching tools for 2,400 years. The thing is, you don't pay historians to get misty-eyed over statues, you pay us to uncover, remember and explain uncomfortable truths. 13/22

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Bret Devereaux‏ @BretDevereaux 13. kesäk. 2020

So when we are asking "should this statue stay up or should it go away" the question is not about 'heritage' OR if the person in the statue lived a perfect, saintly life. The question is, "what values does this statue express?" 14/22

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Bret Devereaux‏ @BretDevereaux 13. kesäk. 2020

And here's the thing: for those confederate statues, we *know* what values they expressed, because the people who made them *told us.* They literally told us: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/its-not-just-the-monuments/612940/ …. These statues stood for hate. That was their 'value.' 15/22

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Bret Devereaux‏ @BretDevereaux 13. kesäk. 2020

And I hear the hemming and hawing and "but did they really mean it" in the back. They *really* meant it. They wanted to be *very* clear: https://hgreen.people.ua.edu/transcription-carr-speech.html … (content warning on that one, the speech, dedicating a now fallen statue, is disturbingly hateful) 16/22

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Bret Devereaux‏ @BretDevereaux 13. kesäk. 2020

And that's why I'm not persuaded that there's some statue slippery-slope that will lead us towards total de-monumentalization. There are a lot of statues up of people with imperfect pasts that no one is seriously suggesting taking down... 17/22

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Bret Devereaux‏ @BretDevereaux 13. kesäk. 2020

...because statues fundamentally are not about the people they depict but about the *values* that person represents. Jefferson is safe not because he was perfect (he was *not*), but because he doesn't represent his imperfects, but rather his finest words. 18/22

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