This. The Roman Peace was neither Roman, nor peaceful.https://twitter.com/jpnudell/status/1266148060725420038 …
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @MykeCole
Yes, but it is possible for the Pax Romana to not be terribly peaceful (by modern standards) and at the same time represent a reduction in overall levels of violence. Just going by demographic evidence, it very likely was the latter - a relative, if not absolute, peace.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
Is this anecdotal or supported by statistical analysis of data? Was the Julian-Trajanic period numerically less violent than the Republican or Marian eras?
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @MykeCole
Nature of the evidence makes statistical comparisons of deaths impossible - too many battles without casualty reports, or where casualty reports are unreliable. But use militarization (% pop under arms per year) as a proxy, and yes, supported by data.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
That may be a misleading indicator because another thing that progresses over time is the amount of sq. ft. of ground that can be held by a single warrior.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @MykeCole
I mean, we're not looking at major organizational or technological changes in the first 2 centuries CE though? So if fewer soldiers are holding more ground, it is because violence is being 'pushed out' to the frontier, creating zones of peace where they didn't exist before.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @MykeCole
Of course, you are doing that by inflicting new violence at the frontier, but the limes is a smaller zone than the imperial core and those areas were not exactly peaceful before the Romans showed up either.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @MykeCole
More generally, the shift from systems of interstate anarchy to systems of hegemony tend to link to low general levels of violence (on this, note Eckstein's Med. Anarchy and Rome Enters the East)
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @MykeCole
yes. I think it would be quite possible to measure the number of wars in, for example, mainland Greece from mid-Republic to 3rd century AD and claim that Greece DID experience a Pax Romana, albeit at the cost of provincialization. (records good for Greece, perhaps also Egypt)
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I wonder how much small-scale violence passes mostly unnoticed. We'd know next to nothing of Gallus' campaigns to put down a revolt in Egypt were it not for his own inscription.
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True, although the same is probably true of many small-scale conflicts between poleis - or similar empire-keeping by the Ptolemies. Makes it tricky to show anything for sure, given the raw number of question marks and lacunae.
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Exactly. In the papyri there's not clear evidence of widespread violence or unrest in Egypt, and certainly not waves of it, under the Roman Empire. So some measure of "Roman peace" seems defensible.
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