This. The Roman Peace was neither Roman, nor peaceful.https://twitter.com/jpnudell/status/1266148060725420038 …
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @MykeCole
Yes, but it is possible for the Pax Romana to not be terribly peaceful (by modern standards) and at the same time represent a reduction in overall levels of violence. Just going by demographic evidence, it very likely was the latter - a relative, if not absolute, peace.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
Is this anecdotal or supported by statistical analysis of data? Was the Julian-Trajanic period numerically less violent than the Republican or Marian eras?
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @MykeCole
Nature of the evidence makes statistical comparisons of deaths impossible - too many battles without casualty reports, or where casualty reports are unreliable. But use militarization (% pop under arms per year) as a proxy, and yes, supported by data.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
That may be a misleading indicator because another thing that progresses over time is the amount of sq. ft. of ground that can be held by a single warrior.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @MykeCole
I mean, we're not looking at major organizational or technological changes in the first 2 centuries CE though? So if fewer soldiers are holding more ground, it is because violence is being 'pushed out' to the frontier, creating zones of peace where they didn't exist before.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @MykeCole
Of course, you are doing that by inflicting new violence at the frontier, but the limes is a smaller zone than the imperial core and those areas were not exactly peaceful before the Romans showed up either.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
Also, how much of the low level Kashmir-border style violence with Bastarnae and Dacian tribes went unreported?
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @MykeCole
Probably a lot, but then our evidence suggests that violence would be happening with or without the Romans. Rhine/Danube region looks pretty violent (inter-state/non-state anarchy) pre-Romans.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @MykeCole
Again, we're working with poor evidence bases, but what we know when we can glimpse interactions in the non-state zone, is quite a lot of warfare and violence. Archaeology seems to support - lots of military votives (spoils), warrior burials, high status for warriors, etc.
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Note: Not saying the Romans were peaceful! They were the biggest, nastiest thugs. But violence can decrease as a consequence of one group of thugs moving out all of the others and setting up a stable protection racket, as the Romans did.
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