I'm pretty bad at twitter but I love to yell at people about Xenophon
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @Roelkonijn, @ProfPaul_J ja
You’re excellent at Twitter. You just need more time to build to the following you deserve.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @MykeCole, @Roelkonijn ja
Anyway the harrowing narrative of Lechaion implies that ekdromoi are a *drill* that Spartans can execute when fighting peltasts, rather than a specific body of "snatchers" (to talk like riot police). One thing I gained from teaching vets is that soldiers train for situations
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @Nakhthor, @Roelkonijn ja
Yeah, I do believe it was a collateral duty. But to be selected for it implies some confidence - not just in age and fitness, but the ability to operate independently without impact to cohesion.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @MykeCole, @Roelkonijn ja
I note the guys don't have a drill for running back to the lines. Couldn't they fall back on an officer-- "On me, lads") and retreat at the double, rather than madly trying to outrun the peltasts who are dashing on their unshielded side and unleashing broadsides of javelins ?
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @Nakhthor, @Roelkonijn ja
I wouldn’t bet on it. In my experience, with the helmet on and trying to keep one eye on incoming missiles, if you don’t have a plan, you’re going to step on everyone. And that’s in a non-lethal re-enactment with lower adrenaline. Maybe a countermarch where you return 1/2
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2/2 rear rank and the epistates becomes the promachos after you take off running on a prearranged signal? Xenophon describes the countermarch, so we know that’s already a thing.
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I doubt we should picture the outrunning as a drill. It's just running after individual peltasts, and then turning and running back. The outrunners would probably have scattered, making orderly withdrawal impossible for sheer distance.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @Roelkonijn, @Nakhthor ja
Why do you doubt it was a drill? Wouldn’t it make better sense to have some kind of plan in place for rapidity/fluidity of action? And we know from Xenophon that rudimentary and basic drill was already in place.
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By definition these guys would be working in irregular ground against a skittish cloud of assailants. How would you drill for that? It'd be like planning your dice rolls.
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It strikes me also as a more improvised thing. The equipment isn't ideal for the role. Cf. the legion's velites integrated screening force, which not only used javelins, but used a different *type* of javelin from the heavy infantry; hasta velitaris seems to be much lighter.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux, @Roelkonijn ja
I think clearly you'd rather have peltasts in this role if you could, but Xen. has frighteningly few to work with in the Anabasis; 2,100 peltasts and 200 archers for a force of 10,700 hoplites, if my numbers are right. Cf. 1200 velites screening 3000 roman heavy inf.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux, @Roelkonijn ja
I think we all agree with that assumption - that the tactic is an emergency measure. You don’t do it if you have psiloi to do it for you.
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