You can do. I have done it. I can run with an aspis, fence individually with it, punch with it. It can all be done, it’s just exhausting. But a 5th C. BC ekdromos was probably a lot more fit than I am.https://twitter.com/Verghast404/status/1262452292873117699 …
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @MykeCole
I actually question the idea that people in the ancient world were generally more fit than a reasonably active modern person. In most cases, higher levels of physical activity are offset by lower levels of nutrition.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
I wonder how that question can be definitively answered. I bet
@FlintDibble knows something about bone analysis.2 vastausta 0 uudelleentwiittausta 18 tykkäystä -
This was my question. I have read that the better nutrition available in the colonies allowed US militiamen to be taller than stronger than British regulars. Obviously a different time period but we also see some people claim people were generally shorter back in the day 1/2
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @Verghast404, @MykeCole ja
With Julius Ceaser saying Gauls were on average much taller than Roman Legionaries. How much of that is bigging up the Gaul's for his best selling book? I dunno, but still! A Roman had a lot of kit but also had 2 mules and a slave per 8 man team...
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So if talking abt the Roman army, we know they were fed well & lots of meat There's a whole range of archaeological evidence, from human analyses to my favorite animal analyses. The army imported animals from afar, and had specialized animal husbandry and butchery methods
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So to be clear, I'm not suggesting the soldiering classes were actively malnourished, merely that they probably did not have the ultra-protein-heavy-diets that, for instance, many modern fitness nuts do. And on that basis, I think assuming pre-modern supermen is unwise.
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I'm no athlete or warrior, but isn't ultra-protein needed for extreme weights & muscle building, but less so for endurance? In a sense the military things we are talking abt require some muscle and a ton of endurance. So adequate protein and calories are needed, not an overload
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Sure, but we're asking if a 5th cent. Ekdromos is significantly more fit than
@MykeCole . My impression is that he eats well, and is pretty physically fit (admittedly, we have never met in person). And I just don't see the difference being huge, for the reasons above.1 vastaus 0 uudelleentwiittausta 4 tykkäystä -
Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux, @FlintDibble ja
That's not to say you can't run or fight with an aspis, of course. Just that I am guessing that the 5th cent. Ekdromos was probably almost as tired as
@MykeCole . Again, my argument is not that ancient warriors were worse than moderns, just that they aren't massively better.2 vastausta 0 uudelleentwiittausta 3 tykkäystä
I should add that I'm not disputing infantry fighting with heavy loads. I mean, thureophoroi were fast-moving 'medium' infantry, and the thureos is freakin' heavy. But they pretty clearly *did* that. My guess is just that they were plenty tired afterwards.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux, @FlintDibble ja
The common thureos in the Hellenistic period is not particularly heavy at all, unless you're talking about the really big ones (as big or bigger than the Roman scutum). But most thureophoroi were handling a pretty light shield.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @ProfPaul_J, @BretDevereaux ja
I did not find the thureos to be light after even five minutes of serious fighting in close. I kept having to straighten my arm and support it with my knee because it felt like my shoulder was on fire. But I’m aggressive as fuck.
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