Here's one to blow your noodle: the most radical view says the phalanx is an innovation of the Peloponnesian War. Personally I think the early signs are there in the Persian Wars narrative in Hdt., but the radical view is certainly sustainable in a positivist sense.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @Roelkonijn ja @thegreatnoldini
What do you do with the Chigi Vase? I suppose for a very narrow definition of the phalanx you might argue they still appear to have javelins? But that seems like pointless hair-splitting.
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To the original point, I don't know that it is fair to say 'no' evidence. We have archaeological examples of the kit later associated with it. We have depictions, like the Chigi vase, which are much like it. Other cultures (Romans, Etruscans) seem to understand themselves...
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...as having already *imported* the idea from the Greeks. We have works like Tyrtaeus which, read in light of what we know from later authors, seem to be discussing it. It's not 'we have no evidence.' It's 'we have no indisputable evidence, and significant room for doubt.'
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @thegreatnoldini
At best Tyrtaios shows the same intermediate form of heavy infantry combat also evident in Hdt.'s account of the Persian Wars. It's easy to overemphasise either the density of his lines or the presence of light-armed; reality seems to have accomodated both (i.e. not a phalanx.)
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @Roelkonijn ja @thegreatnoldini
This, I think, is actually the rub - this is frequently a debate over definition masquerading as a debate over facts. Is it a phalanx if you have a front line overlapping aspides, but some light armed guys in the back? How many light armed guys till it stops being a phalanx?
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @thegreatnoldini
I agree definitions are important, but I've never seen anyone willing to argue that a heterogenous formation (light armed + hoplites) can count as a phalanx. Homogeneity & rank-and-file order are the litmus test.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @Roelkonijn ja @thegreatnoldini
Well, I guess here I am? I think this view must be more common from the Roman side - 'phalanx' operates on a continuum, rather than a binary yes/no. Of course that makes the phalanx less unique (but it wasn't unique, just one version of a shield wall).
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @thegreatnoldini
Xenophon introduces the term "phalanx" specifically to refer to homogenous hvy infantry in ranks and files; I'm not sure it's warranted to mess w/ that without rendering the word meaningless. "Shieldwall" is much more suited to the static Spartan mixed formation at Plataia
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @Roelkonijn ja @thegreatnoldini
Here is where I think we need to be honest that modern usage and Xenophon's term have diverged. 'Phalanx' typically means more than that when it is used - it's the overlapping shields, the cohesion generated by small polis-communities, etc.
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That's why I'd lean more on 'proto-phalanx' or 'early-phalanx' to express a tight(ish) body of citizen-hoplite warriors (with perhaps, some non-hoplites) operating with overlapping shields which doesn't yet fit the strict form of the classical period.
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That said, I'd have to place that proto-phalanx pretty early, unless I conclude the Chigi-vase painter is a concept artist and Tyrtaeus is the first science fiction writer - because they seem pretty clearly to me to be depicting an early form of this thing.
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Obviously though, that developmental approach is a revision to the VDH-Orthodox position, which imagines a 'pure' and almost primeval phalanx deep in the archaic, to be adulterated only later.
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