...and, not to be flip, but all of those complaints skip right past the core argument and why I *do*not*care.* See, depending on when and how you estimate, the Spartiates were, like, c. 5-10% of households under the Spartan state... 2/14
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..and yes, there are ranges of estimates and I'm just going to skip over the demographic complexities by noting I discussed them already here (https://acoup.blog/2019/08/23/collections-this-isnt-sparta-part-ii-spartan-equality/ …). But my math suggested c. 7% spartiates (dropping over time)... 3/14
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For comparison, depending on how you do the math, that's about the percentage adults in the USA who are millionaires (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_the_number_of_millionaires …). Imagine the history we would write about the United States if we *only* assessed the USA by its millionaires... 4/14
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If we did that, we'd say the USA has 99%+ voter participation (https://www.demos.org/research/why-voting-gap-matters …), that all Americans could afford healthcare easily, that college attainment in the USA was 90+%, that poverty had been eradicated and on and on... 5/14
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Just imagine if we compared the all-millionaire-USA against the real statistics for every other country! (as a side note, this is *often* what happens when US education is compared to ed. in tiered systems abroad; the whole US system gets compared to the top tier, it's BS). 6/14
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But that's what just about every textbook I've read on Sparta does - a direct comparison of the *spartiates* with, say, your average Athenian thetes! It's a nonsense comparison, exactly like the all-millionaire-USA comparison. The phrase 'Average Spartiate' should... 7/14
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...sound to you exactly like saying the 'Average American Millionaire.' Does that mean we don't study these fellows? Of course not - they have a big impact in the culture, war and politics of Greece more broadly! I'm not at all bagging on the specialist lit. focus here. 8/14
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But it is *not enough* when writing, say, a textbook chapter on Sparta, to have a few lines or a page about the helots and then another 50 pages on the spartiates which acts like the helots don't exist. The worst offenders are sections on 'Spartan women' which are only... 9/14
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...about *Spartiate* women. "In Sparta, women could inherit property!" No! Stop writing this! In Sparta, a *tiny elite* of women could inherit property, but most women WERE property, owned by the state, because *most*Spartan*women*were*helots!* 10/14
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Just a note that helots were not owned by the state but were the only somewhat circumscribed property of individual Spartiates
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Yes, absolutely! I didn't want to get deep into that debate here. Honestly, I think the debate of state-owned vs. spartiate-owned and what that means is mostly an artifact of us moderns trying to shove our modern categories of ownership on a distinctly premodern institution.
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Ain't that always the truth when it comes to Sparta...
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