I’m an othismos literalist (this is an unpopular view). I base this on a lot of factors, including my own internality/experience in close-combat, but also on Tyrtaeus’ poetry and several battle narratives. I wrote a thread on it on here a while back, lemme see if I can find it.https://twitter.com/justsaylos/status/1225186625149448192 …
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @MykeCole
It's funny. In the scholarship, othismos-literalism seems the minority view. Actually talking to historians, I think it is actually still the orthodox position. It's just that no one gets anywhere arguing for the orthodox position when VDH's WWoW already exists.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @MykeCole
Not that WWoW isn't without its problems, just that, accepting the othismos, the space to write an interesting book detailing WWoW's problems is small, and the incentive structure of academic publishing runs against it.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
It’s hard for me to be neutral about WWoW. I know there’s scholarship there, but it’s so tangled in racism and chickenhawk chest pounding that my eye twitches whenever I consider it. Hanson is a bad dude. I can’t consider his work in a detached manner.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @MykeCole
Would that only good people produced high quality scholarship, and that bad people produced only low quality scholarship. Alas, it is not so. I respect your stance, but don't feel, as an academic, that I can adopt it - I have to note when even the bad people have a good idea.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
He has *shreds* of good ideas, scotch taped onto really really really bad ones. His work, in the aggregate, isn’t to be taken seriously, IMO. His overall impact on military intellectuals who don’t have the benefit of a real background in history is immeasurably harmful.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @MykeCole
But the shreds are concentrated. I'd say his works can be divided into two categories. On one side is Warfare and Agriculture, WWoW and The Other Greeks; they're valuable to scholars, occasionally dangerous to non-specialists. Everything else is dangerous nonsense.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
Well, you’re right to take a cool-headed view. And I certainly have read most of his work (at least his early stuff). It was jammed down my throat as a company grade officer and intelligence officer, and I only started to untangle it recently. Hanson’s theories sent me to Iraq.
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I understand that Carnage and Culture was particularly in vogue at the time. It's a *deeply* irresponsible book, designed, quite frankly, more to fool the unwary reader than to inform.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
Required reading for all company grade Os the whole time I was in. I had it assigned to me *3* times during my stint in the IC.
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