...land. But try to graze your herds on that unowned land, or hunt game there, and you're likely to get a violent response from the local nomads. *Individuals* didn't own the land - but the group sure did - and it will violently protect it from outsiders. end.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
Lol Jesus man. This is an essay! Who taught you how to Twitter. There are like 27 things I would have to get into here in order to make satisfactory response. Why would you do this to me?
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @PetreRaleigh ja @BretDevereaux
Short version: historical processes like enclosure and accumulation of capital, along with a comprehensive form of private property, produce social relations which are structured in qualitatively distinct ways, and which do not emerge everywhere that money is exchanged for goods.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @PetreRaleigh ja @BretDevereaux
But far more importantly, you are a monster and you must be stopped
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @PetreRaleigh
So, uh, 1) I am self-taught at twittering, and therefore very bad at it. I am generally bad at social media. Or social anything (as you well know!). But second: I think your short version is essentially what I carved out as 'the modern form of this thing.' and that's fair.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @PetreRaleigh
I guess my caution is that a lot of modern theory about that comes from a time when it was assumed that the ancient world emphatically did not have institutions that looked like early modern capitalism. Your Polanyi/Weber/Marx, etc. But...
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @PetreRaleigh
...we now know that many similar institutions did exist in the ancient world - this is the modernist/primitavist debate in the ancient economy, and it's fair to say the modernists have largely won. And I don't get the impression that the theories have been revised to reflect...
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...that their ancient basis - which esp. for Marx and Polanyi is quite important! - have functionally collapsed. In that context, I think it is possible to argue that early modern capitalism is just one form of a very common, largely non-contingent form of human organization.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
The thing is, even if we stipulate that you are right, that the refined definition of capitalism is still not unique to modernity (and well we might), I think that would still be distinct from saying that capitalism is every time a coin was exchanged for a good.
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(Which is all but explicitly OP's phrasing, to remind us)
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Yes, that's fair. But I'd suggest that involves a narrowing of what we understand as capitalism which also may limit the degree we ascribe to it pervasive social effects. Which, tbh, would be valuable for developing more nuanced causation than 'capitalism did everything bad.'
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