@BretDevereaux - Hi! Your series on Sparta is fantastic. Hope you’re receptive to one small comment RE: https://acoup.blog/2019/09/20/collections-this-isnt-sparta-part-vi-spartan-battle …. I have fought with an aspis before. I found the grip is *excellent* for individual combat outside the phalanx. 1/3
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I was able to “close the door” to cover my front when squared to my opponent, and even keep the aspis’ weight on my shoulde/supported by the concavity. Also, it is excellent for punching with the rim (Even better than a center grip in some ways). 2/3
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I think the Spartan practice of employing ekdromoi who did exit the phalanx and fight individually supports this position. But I don’t think this detracts from your overall point that it was the exception and not the rule. The whole series is great and thanks for considering 3/3
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I don't say that the aspis is *bad* in one-on-one or open-order combat. But I do stand by the contention that it isn't excellent at it. For all of our modern sparring, I think some deference is owed to the equipment decisions made by men whose lives depended on it.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @MykeCole
And, certainly, some open-order fighters - ekdromoi, or shipboard marines - used the aspis during the Classical period. But I don't think it is an accident that loose-order specialists - peltasts, thureophoroi - used different shields with different grips.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @MykeCole
The second century in particular, I think, speaks to the degree to which - once exposed - the Greeks were quite receptive to the idea of equipping a *lot* of men with center-grip Gallic style shields (=thureos). Thureophoroi are *everywhere* in late-3/early-2century BC Greece
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They're all over Polybius (who distinguishes between thureophori generally and armored thureophoroi whom he calls thraokites, Plb 4.12; 10.29) and by Plutrach as the standard Greek (non-Macedonian) soldier from which a reformer (Cleom. 11.2; Philop. 9.1-3) might move away from.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
Yes, but Polybius is a Hellenistic Achaean. I took your argument (perhaps incorrectly, and if so, I apologize) to be aimed at 5th C. BC Sparta.
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The argument is more nearly that we can tell the *primary* (but not only) fighting style intended because of what the aspis - the core equipment - is best at. And we can tell, in part, that it was somewhat specialized for that, because when fighting shifted, so did the shield.
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