@BretDevereaux - Hi! Your series on Sparta is fantastic. Hope you’re receptive to one small comment RE: https://acoup.blog/2019/09/20/collections-this-isnt-sparta-part-vi-spartan-battle …. I have fought with an aspis before. I found the grip is *excellent* for individual combat outside the phalanx. 1/3
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I was able to “close the door” to cover my front when squared to my opponent, and even keep the aspis’ weight on my shoulde/supported by the concavity. Also, it is excellent for punching with the rim (Even better than a center grip in some ways). 2/3
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I think the Spartan practice of employing ekdromoi who did exit the phalanx and fight individually supports this position. But I don’t think this detracts from your overall point that it was the exception and not the rule. The whole series is great and thanks for considering 3/3
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I don't say that the aspis is *bad* in one-on-one or open-order combat. But I do stand by the contention that it isn't excellent at it. For all of our modern sparring, I think some deference is owed to the equipment decisions made by men whose lives depended on it.
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And, certainly, some open-order fighters - ekdromoi, or shipboard marines - used the aspis during the Classical period. But I don't think it is an accident that loose-order specialists - peltasts, thureophoroi - used different shields with different grips.
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Vastauksena käyttäjille @BretDevereaux ja @MykeCole
The second century in particular, I think, speaks to the degree to which - once exposed - the Greeks were quite receptive to the idea of equipping a *lot* of men with center-grip Gallic style shields (=thureos). Thureophoroi are *everywhere* in late-3/early-2century BC Greece
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Agree. I assume this is due to increased contact with gallograecians via Balkan actors (Macedonians, Thracians, Bithynians).
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Agreed. It's hard to pin down *anything* really tightly, chronologically in the third century, but I think the plausible explanation is the Galatian incursions of the 280s and 270s. They made a mess of all sorts of Hellenistic armies. Nothing advertises arms like success.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
“Nothing advertises arms like success” is a fantastic quote. I’ll credit you if I ever use it.
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