One thing that is true of ALL of these guys is that they care mostly about citizen (spartiate) men, a little bit about spartiate women, almost not at all about helot men, and literally never mention helot women (= most of the women in Sparta) at all. 12/20
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I debated with myself when I wrote this post if I wanted to go for such a grim topic as the agoge so early - trying to pull readers in vs. just leading with the bucket of cold water. In the end, I decided cold water, early, often and as cold as can be managed. 13/20
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One of the things I want to do in these posts is shift the context in which we talk about Sparta. A lot of it tends to be very bloodless "well this is bad but..." and I want to put the blood back in: "this is bad" - yes it is, let's talk about it. 14/20
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Let's imagine the victims in this society, let's think about how they would feel. Let's dwell on the bad for more than half a second before moving on the supposed "achievements." I've seen too many things-even college textbooks and courses-just gloss over the horror of it. 15/20
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For the agoge - which seems so strange and ancient and foreign to most modern students - I felt that the bucket of cold water required a modern context, so I started looking at and asking around about the literature on child soldiers to see if I'd find parallels. 16/20
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I mentioned this in the post, but reading the literature on modern child soldiers was some of the toughest reading - emotionally - I've done. And, I mean, I study ancient war. But honestly, when I started reading, I expected... 17/20
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...the parallels to be there, maybe a bit strained, maybe a bit stretched. Instead, I ended up at nearly one-to-one correlation, each practice neatly - terribly - mirrored by one or more groups of awful human rights abusers. 18/20
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I hope this post inspired a bit of empathy with the boys thrown into this inhuman system, just like I hope the next few (one each week) will get people to think about this society from the perspective of its other victims, who far outnumbered its citizens. 19/20
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Anyway, thanks for reading my ramblings. As before, the main post is here (https://acoup.blog/2019/08/16/collections-this-isnt-sparta-part-i-spartan-school/ …). The series will continue with one new post on Sparta until it's done (planned at 5 total, but no plan survives contact). 20/20 (fin)
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
Thanks for all the great info so far! One question: Is it far-fetched to compare Sparta to the Aztec empire? Shortlived, bloody and generally horrible?
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My knowledge of the Aztec Empire is not deep, but my impression is that while they're both bad, it is in different ways and at different scales.
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Vastauksena käyttäjälle @BretDevereaux
Mine neither. But this whole "rule by brute force for a short period of time"-thing rang similar.
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