Spartan mores considered by whom? Athenian aristocrats who wish they too could ignore their political underclass, or Plutarch writing with rose-tinted glasses 300 years thick? It's important to remember that the supposedly equal, ideal, Lycurgean society probably never existed.
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Invalidates? Of course not. But we have to read sources critically. Aristotle and Xenophon are both openly snobby elitists who think the good-and-noble (kaloi kagathoi) *ought* to dominate affairs because they are *actually* better than poor people.
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Strikingly unique, I'll grant you, but unique in the way Nazi Germany or Stalinist USSR is unique. it is a unique moral abomination.
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If Aristotle and Xenophon could not see that - well, many learned men in Europe in the 1930s were similarly blind.
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I think I should be clear on this point - I am not arguing that Rome was better than Sparta. I am arguing that Sparta was *bad* in an absolute sense.
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Honestly no. The system can't exist without its brutality - even for the Spartiates (What is the agoge but a system for brutalizing children into soldiers, much like what groups like the Lord's Resistance Army does?).
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Sparta isn't even that good at fighting - the one thing they do. They are good enough at *battle* - but battle is not war. The very system which produces Spartans ensures that Spartans are too inflexible and too much jerks to actually achieve their strategic aims.
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Unless of course, Spartan strategic aims are defined down to the minimum of "continue to be able to brutalize the helots" in which case they manage it for just under 300 years (668-371 BC). That's not even a particularly good record.
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