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    1. Mike Pan‏ @themikepan Feb 5

      "Why do I need a 4Ghz quadcore to run facebook?" This is why. A single word split up into 11 HTML DOM elements to avoid adblockers.pic.twitter.com/Zv4RfInrL0

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      Bram Stolk‏ @BramStolk Feb 6
      Replying to @themikepan

      You need a quad-core 4GHz CPU to run facebook, because... Object Oriented Programming. The facebook code has 18,000 classes. 18K *object instances* is bad enough, but 18K *classes*? OOP put the state of technology back two decades.http://quellish.tumblr.com/post/126712999812/how-on-earth-the-facebook-ios-application-is-so …

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        2. @luqui‏ @luqui Feb 6
          Replying to @BramStolk @themikepan

          36K functions would be better?

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        3. Bram Stolk‏ @BramStolk Feb 6
          Replying to @luqui @themikepan

          A competent programmer wouldn't need a gazillion lines of code to implement FB functionality. A client app for sharing pics and messages is NOT ROCKET SURGERY.

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        4. Fabrizio Rapelli‏ @Feibrix Feb 7
          Replying to @BramStolk @luqui @themikepan

          A competent programmer wouldn't blame a programming paradigm.

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        5. Andreas Møller‏ @cullophid Feb 7
          Replying to @Feibrix @BramStolk and

          That's an odd way of looking at it. Why should the paradigm be above criticism?

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        6. Fabrizio Rapelli‏ @Feibrix Feb 7
          Replying to @cullophid @BramStolk and

          I don't see any criticism, do you?

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        7. @luqui‏ @luqui Feb 7
          Replying to @Feibrix @cullophid and

          Bram opened the thread by criticizing OO. Since then, precisely zero details or facts about paradigms have been discussed. So I agree, I see no criticism, just a bunch of empty snark.

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        8. Bram Stolk‏ @BramStolk Feb 7
          Replying to @luqui @Feibrix

          You are quite right, of course. But the "detail" I highlighted was that OO *can* get you in a situation where a client-side social media app ends up with 18K classes. So I see this as an *example* where OO is the enabler for overly complex engineering.

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        9. Fabrizio Rapelli‏ @Feibrix Feb 7
          Replying to @BramStolk @luqui

          All the paradigms can be used to create horrible things and it would still not be the fault of the chosen paradigm. This is not an example, 18k classes can be explained in dozens of ways, and your single bet is on the OOP because you don't like it. #StopRacismAgainstOOP /s

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        2. Bram Stolk‏ @BramStolk Feb 7
          Replying to @BramStolk

          Ok, so this was a knee-jerk, and I blamed it too easily on OOP. Like others commented, those 18K classes are most likely not authored, but the output of code-gen. Still, for the mobile version at least, I think those 18K classes have something to do with perf of the client.

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        1. Fabi  🔜 EF25‏ @xF4B1 Feb 7
          Replying to @BramStolk @themikepan

          Doesn't really mattet what language type you use when you have to overcomplicate everything, don't clean up code and obfuscate every little detail with ten times more code than originally

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        1. syl  👀 @ ANE‏ @sylschinco Feb 7
          Replying to @BramStolk @themikepan

          The programming paradigm chosen has little to do with this... It's the project management paradigm, not the programming paradigm.

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        1. Kevin H.A. Tan‏ @S1lv3rd3m0n Feb 7
          Replying to @BramStolk @themikepan

          Stop putting blame on OOP. Simply put they're just trying to be a superapp for everything.

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        1. Arash Shahkar‏ @ArashShahkar Feb 7
          Replying to @BramStolk @themikepan

          LoL. That was arguably the most irrelevant piece of nonsense I’ve read recently.

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        1. Problematic.‏ @panzertime Feb 7
          Replying to @BramStolk @themikepan

          it's not "because OOP," it's "because Facebook's business model"

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        1. Nicholas Fagerlid‏ @NymallTheLich Feb 7
          Replying to @BramStolk @themikepan

          This isn't the fault of OOP - OOP is just a tool, like any other. This is insane usage of the tool by people who don't understand HOW to use it. I bet you could refactor 85% of those objects out.

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        1. undefined‏ @bitwiselover Feb 7
          Replying to @BramStolk @themikepan

          Because 18k class instances are operating on the stack at once 🙄

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        1. CreamyCrop‏ @CropCreamy Feb 7
          Replying to @BramStolk @themikepan

          I don't see how their poorly designed software is the fault of OOP?

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        1. Tanner Bennett‏ @NSExceptional Feb 7
          Replying to @BramStolk @themikepan

          Lol don't try to blame this on OOP, man. You can write just as shitty code with FP or whatever your favorite paradigm is. Don't be so naïve.

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        1.  🔥 🐱 🌲 🐻‏ @MagickalFarmCat Feb 7
          Replying to @BramStolk @themikepan

          I have a CS degree and also have a strong distaste for OOP but you're really off the mark here. JS is prototype-centred OOP. There is no clear distinction between classes and instances in JS as there would be in, say, Java.

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