the whole thing from his famous version in the Nolan films is that his origin makes no sense and he has no real reason for what he's doing, so it's like... Nolan specifically makes it clear that he's bullshitting, he didn't really lose his wife or get beat up by his dad
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the whole thing from his famous version in the Nolan films is that his origin makes no sense and he has no real reason for what he's doing, so it's like... Nolan specifically makes it clear that he's bullshitting, he didn't really lose his wife or get beat up by his dad
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and in all previous versions and most recent versions, basically all of them except for the actual movie Joker, his motivation is nothing even vaguely close to "working class anxeity" or "male angst" or whatever
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like, Tyler Durden is probelmatic as hell and no one should sympathize with him, but "at least he's an ethos" the Joker is not an ethos
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Alas, despite all my efforts, the phrase "I am going to become the guy in Falling Down" just never caught on...
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It would be very in keeping if something did happen to him and he snarled "I'm going to become the Joker!" before remembering he's supposed to be kraisee and trying to laugh it off.
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Mark Hamill's Joker would say "I'm going to become the Joker! Hold on. I think I already *am* the Joker. Hee, hee! Well, I can check that off my to-do list!"
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yeah i don't recall anyone talking about the joker as an expression of white manpain prior to JOKER and worth noting that JOKER is pretty explicitly a throwback 80s-whitemanpain thriller with a bit of clown makeup smudged on
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People shouldn't want to be the Joker, they should want to be V.
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