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    BloombergNEF‏ @BloombergNEF 19 Dec 2018

    Our 2018 Battery Price Survey has found that the volume-weighted average price of a lithium-ion battery pack is $176/kWh - the price has fallen 85% in real terms since 2010 due to tech improvements resulting in higher energy density at the cathode material, cell & pack level.pic.twitter.com/BhnA6ezLrd

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      2. Ryan Popple‏ @rcpopple 19 Dec 2018
        Replying to @BloombergNEF

        When I first saw this animated chart, I thought it was diesel bus sales between now & 2030...

        7 replies . 11 retweets 84 likes
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      2. hummingbird228‏ @hummingbird228 19 Dec 2018
        Replying to @BloombergNEF

        1/ In just 3 years we will get to $100 per kWh (pack cost) 176 x 0.82 x 0.82 x 0.85 = $100 per kWh ICE is dead!pic.twitter.com/N25Voi0W9L

        7 replies . 6 retweets 24 likes
      3. hummingbird228‏ @hummingbird228 19 Dec 2018
        Replying to @hummingbird228 @BloombergNEF

        hummingbird228 Retweeted CleanTechnica

        Lower pack cost allows for Hyundai Kona. Kona is $26k after Fed & State subsidies, which means lease price of $200-300/month or lower, for a very nice BEV CUV. If @Hyundai_Global can do this, so will @VWGrouphttps://twitter.com/cleantechnica/status/1073941668485890048 …

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        CleanTechnica @cleantechnica
        Now It Can Be Told! Hyundai Kona Electric To Start At $36,450 https://cleantechnica.com/2018/12/15/now-it-can-be-told-hyundai-kona-electric-to-start-at-36450/ … pic.twitter.com/XcUynDQGTr
        0 replies . 3 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Dustin Grace‏ @TheTrustySteed 19 Dec 2018
        Replying to @BloombergNEF

        Average price (as sold) or average cost (as produced). BOM or fully burdened? Stationary or automotive grade? Average system size? By country? If you have more details to back up the overall trend of cost reduction over time it would be a great service to the industry!

        2 replies . 1 retweet 17 likes
      3. Colin Mckerracher‏ @colinmckerrache 19 Dec 2018
        Replying to @TheTrustySteed @BloombergNEF

        Thanks, lots of breakdowns and details available to BNEF clients, but publicly we only publish the annual volume-weighted average value,

        4 replies . 0 retweets 6 likes
      4. Michael S. Taylor‏ @mtaylor_nz 19 Dec 2018
        Replying to @colinmckerrache @TheTrustySteed @BloombergNEF

        Which is to say, its predominantly a EV battery pack price as the volume is all in mobile applications.

        1 reply . 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. John Sheehan‏ @Banshee2030 19 Dec 2018
        Replying to @mtaylor_nz @colinmckerrache and

        This month quoted $15,000 for 16 kWh Mitsubishi iMIEV replacement battery for 9 year old car. Should be around $3,000 on this price. Puzzled. Can wait another year.

        2 replies . 0 retweets 5 likes
      6. Jonathan Price‏ @jonathanpriceUK 20 Dec 2018
        Replying to @Banshee2030 @mtaylor_nz and

        Just bought my second Renault Zoe ... Renault told me that the insured value of the new 40KWh leased battery pack should be £6,200 or $7,875, so about $196/KWh.

        0 replies . 0 retweets 4 likes
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      2. David Anonychuk‏ @DavidAnonychuk 20 Dec 2018
        Replying to @BloombergNEF

        Take note. From the @benchmarkmin conf in Oct, @samjaffe at Cairn ERA provided views on forecast LI ion battery price. $100/kWh in mid 2020’s. Will we see sooner? #batterymetals #lithium #cobalt #graphite @sdmoorespic.twitter.com/QMXsWKlJaw

        1 reply . 9 retweets 12 likes
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      2. Simon Mahan‏ @SimonMahan 19 Dec 2018
        Replying to @BloombergNEF

        And these prices keep steadily dropping despite, say, volatile cobalt prices.pic.twitter.com/QMN7BndA5A

        2 replies . 0 retweets 9 likes
      3. @LomikoTechnologies‏ @LomikoTech 29 Dec 2018
        Replying to @SimonMahan @BloombergNEF

        The input costs like #cobalt, #Lithium and #graphite are small compared to the efficiencies of mass production - and #Competition! Thanks #Capitalism. @LomikoTech @apaulgill @BNNBloombergpic.twitter.com/zqyePhoe6z

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      2. Steve LeVine‏Verified account @stevelevine 19 Dec 2018
        Replying to @BloombergNEF

        This is an astonishing trend — in 2010, even two or three years ago — it was hard to believe the tech would really begin to approach $100, which is the holy grail.

        4 replies . 2 retweets 11 likes
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      2. Dick Winchester‏ @DickWinchester 20 Dec 2018
        Replying to @BloombergNEF @ErikSolheim

        And we still can't charge them fully as fast as we can refuel a hydrogen FCEV

        2 replies . 1 retweet 3 likes
      3. Ben Ellis‏ @bobblyone 20 Dec 2018
        Replying to @DickWinchester @BloombergNEF @ErikSolheim

        But we can charge them from our homes...

        1 reply . 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Dick Winchester‏ @DickWinchester 20 Dec 2018
        Replying to @bobblyone @BloombergNEF @ErikSolheim

        But why would you want to? It's the silliest argument ever,. I prefer to go to a fuel station, fill up.. buy a bottle of milk & a loaf of bread, go home & park my car knowing it's fully fuelled & ready to go..

        2 replies . 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Ben Ellis‏ @bobblyone 20 Dec 2018
        Replying to @DickWinchester @BloombergNEF @ErikSolheim

        I know that the electricity going into my car hasn’t had to be transported. I know that the hydrogen hasn’t had to use natural gas or electrolysis to be produced and electrons are far easier to transport than atoms. One day I know that I will have solar and battery storage ...

        0 replies . 0 retweets 5 likes
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      2. Camilo Valenzuela‏ @ParaCambiarPais 19 Dec 2018
        Replying to @BloombergNEF

        And why hasn't car price drop as well? As far I know prices keep being twice as a normal gas car

        4 replies . 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. David Anonychuk‏ @DavidAnonychuk 19 Dec 2018
        Replying to @ParaCambiarPais @BloombergNEF

        #EV automotive industry in early stage, so still era of recouping high fixed costs. Need higher sales volumes to truly benefit consumer. As industry matures, lower marginal costs will eventually pass through. Competition will drive prices to stay sharp. #batterymetals

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