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Alleged writer and Crikey politics editor. These days mainly here for the greyhounds.

Canberra
crikey.com.au
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    Bernard Keane‏Verified account @BernardKeane 23 Nov 2016

    At the heart of a sugar tax is the idea a middle class health bureaucrat knows better what everyone else's best interests are than they do.

    12:23 AM - 23 Nov 2016
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      2. lucie rychetnik‏ @LucieRychetnik 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @BernardKeane

        Alt view @BernardKeane bureaucrat implement but real driver is health profession & evidence indicate #sugartax effective at population level

        1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
      3. lucie rychetnik‏ @LucieRychetnik 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @LucieRychetnik @BernardKeane

        maybe rationale not quite as random or Kafkaesque as you imply :)

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      2. Independent‏ @AusDebater 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @BernardKeane

        at the heart of the idea is that damaging products should be taxed properly. From cigarettes to carbon emissions. And sugar.

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      3. Ned Lukies‏ @nedlukies 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @AusDebater @BernardKeane

        but single product taxes without compensation are regressive. Low income already an indicator of poor health.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Independent‏ @AusDebater 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @nedlukies @BernardKeane

        of course it should be partnered with subsidies for healthy food

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Ned Lukies‏ @nedlukies 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @AusDebater

        How does that work in practice? Vastly complicates the law and still doesn’t help those with no time or money.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Independent‏ @AusDebater 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @nedlukies

        being obese doesn't help poor people get out of poverty either.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      1. Chris hobson‏ @hoboviews 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @BernardKeane

        I am at least middle aged, but not a health bureaucrat, but I know that we must do something dramatic about excess sugar use.

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      1. DerpDerp‏ @derpnik 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @BernardKeane

        that's grossly unfair @BernardKeane - the need for change is coming from scientists and health professionals, not shiny-bums

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      1. Peter Lloyd‏ @LlordLloyd 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @BernardKeane

        Come to Launceston and see kids in prams sucking imitation Red Bull. True. Maybe tax isn't the answer, but something is.

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      1. Collette Snowden‏ @collettesnowden 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @BernardKeane

        Is it that simple? This week Mangoes are $3.50 each, 250gm bags of sweets are $1.What does a poor person do to have a 'treat'?

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      2. ppw‏ @ppw3 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @BernardKeane

        Seems a bit simplistic. Isn't a sugar tax similar to a cigarette tax or carbon tax?

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      1. Christopher Hoare‏ @Chris_Hoare 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @BernardKeane

        Replace "middle class health bureaucrat" with "trained health professional" and you're spot on. That is, they do know better.

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      2. DerpDerp‏ @derpnik 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @BernardKeane

        as a taxpayer, I pay for cost of 'everyone's' diabetes, obesity etc so I'm happy to tax sugar just like cigarettes @BernardKeane

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Tweetle-dum‏ @Kappukzu 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @derpnik @BernardKeane

        Would this be a state tax? Fair point if so. Our federal taxes don't go towards anything though. Ping @DeficitOwls

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Deficit Owls‏ @DeficitOwls 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @Kappukzu @BernardKeane

        Even though #TaxesDontFundSpending, there's still an argument to be made for taxes to distribute costs

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Deficit Owls‏ @DeficitOwls 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @DeficitOwls @Kappukzu @BernardKeane

        to certain groups. That is, consuming more sugar forces us to devote more real resources to dealing

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Deficit Owls‏ @DeficitOwls 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @DeficitOwls @Kappukzu @BernardKeane

        with sugar-related consequences, meaning the gov has to pull more resources from private sector.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Deficit Owls‏ @DeficitOwls 23 Nov 2016
        Replying to @DeficitOwls @Kappukzu @BernardKeane

        Not illogical to pin that cost on (in real terms, not monetary terms) on the people causing the problem.

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