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    1. Aimee Terese‏ @aimeeterese May 1
      Replying to @BarnesFarnes

      Then what?

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    2. Farnes‏ @BarnesFarnes May 1
      Replying to @aimeeterese

      I'll ask you the same thing - what is the end you're hoping for? Because I just want men to stop thinking they're entitled to sex (a matter of education)

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Austin Hayden‏ @austin_hayden May 1
      Replying to @BarnesFarnes @aimeeterese

      If I can: The demand and/or expectation for sex is a symptomatic expression of more foundational and constitutive problems. This is what Aimee is getting at. Deplatforming does nothing to transform the libidinal economy. That’s key.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Aimee Terese‏ @aimeeterese May 1
      Replying to @austin_hayden @BarnesFarnes

      ^ that entitlement isnt exclusive to incels, the overwhelming majority of entitled men (incel or otherwise) don’t commit mass atrocities, so I think it’s essential to think critically and engage empirically with what’s actually going on, in order to attend to the problem.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Farnes‏ @BarnesFarnes May 1
      Replying to @aimeeterese @austin_hayden

      Sure - we can all agree that there is a long term problem that needs to be solved. But the more immediate problem is violent radicalisation on online message boards and that needs to stop.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Aimee Terese‏ @aimeeterese May 1
      Replying to @BarnesFarnes @austin_hayden

      Is it? Because one woman per week dies from intimate partner violence in Australia, I don’t know the stats in Canada but I imagine they’re at least similar. And online censorship won’t do shit to change that...

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    7. Farnes‏ @BarnesFarnes May 1
      Replying to @aimeeterese

      it won't stop DV, no, nor is anyone suggesting it will. It will do quite a bit to stop incels radicalising each other and egging ppl on to commit terrorist acts though

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    8. Aimee Terese‏ @aimeeterese May 1
      Replying to @BarnesFarnes

      You’ve stated an immediate problem, the entitled violence against women problem, and I’m saying that problem exists within and without online incel communities, as evidenced by highest cause of fatalities for women under 50 = intimate violence. Censorship doesn’t change that.

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    9. Farnes‏ @BarnesFarnes May 1
      Replying to @aimeeterese

      No, the immediate problem I've stated is the incels radicalising each other online problem, and deplatforming does help with that. Men feeling entitled to sex is a longer term problem that needs a different approach, as we both agree

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    10. Aimee Terese‏ @aimeeterese May 1
      Replying to @BarnesFarnes

      You haven’t substantiated those claims.

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      Farnes‏ @BarnesFarnes May 1
      Replying to @aimeeterese

      I am confident that shutting down violent incel message boards will stop incels from radicalising each other on those online message boards.

      4:29 AM - 1 May 2018
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        2. Aimee Terese‏ @aimeeterese May 1
          Replying to @BarnesFarnes

          Which ones?

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        3. Farnes‏ @BarnesFarnes May 1
          Replying to @aimeeterese

          Ask David Futrelle, he's the expert

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        4. Aimee Terese‏ @aimeeterese May 1
          Replying to @BarnesFarnes

          He’s a blogger not an expert in deradicalisation.

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        5. Farnes‏ @BarnesFarnes May 1
          Replying to @aimeeterese

          He knows where incels congregate, which is the question you asked me

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        6. Aimee Terese‏ @aimeeterese May 1
          Replying to @BarnesFarnes

          I was attempting to provoke further questions with you to demonstrate the slippery boundary conditions underpinning your ‘just shut them down’ approach.

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        7. Farnes‏ @BarnesFarnes May 1
          Replying to @aimeeterese

          I don't have a 'just' shut them down approach - shutting those fora down is a start. We need a longer programme of education etc too which I believe is what you're advocating

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        2. Aimee Terese‏ @aimeeterese May 1
          Replying to @BarnesFarnes

          You know how the internet works right? It’ll be a game of wack a mole, as new websites/forums are started up.

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        3. Farnes‏ @BarnesFarnes May 1
          Replying to @aimeeterese

          Yes, I have been to the internet before. If internet moles have to be whacked, then whack them, as antifa continues to do effectively with fascists

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        4. Aimee Terese‏ @aimeeterese May 1
          Replying to @BarnesFarnes

          Okay it’s clear you don’t want to have a nuanced discussion. I’m out. Laters.

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