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    1. Oatmeal Agitante‏ @BagelDaughter 26 Dec 2016
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      We aren't going to put a "reward button" in one w/o, and expect an agent to "just be nice", let alone "not dirt stupid"

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    2. Oatmeal Agitante‏ @BagelDaughter 26 Dec 2016
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      By "fully-defined affordances" I mean the basic building blocks of strategies for achieving the intended goal

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    3. Oatmeal Agitante‏ @BagelDaughter 26 Dec 2016
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      All that said, I find that reformulating the catastrophe thought experiments to be about not being dumb is fun to think about

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    4. regret maximizer‏ @teleonomist 27 Dec 2016
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      I get the impression the AI alignment people would basically agree; they're just trying to dereference "don't be stupid"

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    5. regret maximizer‏ @teleonomist 27 Dec 2016
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      "stupid" from our perspective is "ruin everything for us"; "not stupid" is "make us happy"

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    6. Oatmeal Agitante‏ @BagelDaughter 27 Dec 2016
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      yes, it's just that "stupid" is many more things than "ruin everything", and framing all the failure modes in terms of catastrophe

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    7. Grognor‏ @Grognor 27 Dec 2016
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      "stupid" is many different things, *which is why* it's important to distinguish them instead of pretending they're the same

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    8. Oatmeal Agitante‏ @BagelDaughter 27 Dec 2016
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      my argument is that none of the thought experiments I've seen have raised issues of "stupidity" that is uniquely catastrophic

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    9. Oatmeal Agitante‏ @BagelDaughter 27 Dec 2016
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      critique is that invoking catastrophe in the thought experiments I've seen is unnecessary to capture and explore the failure mode

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    10. Grognor‏ @Grognor 27 Dec 2016
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      surely the stakes are not totally irrelevant

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      Oatmeal Agitante‏ @BagelDaughter 27 Dec 2016
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      my experience with thinking through problems is that if I consider the stakes too early I can't think about it clearly enough

      4:37 PM - 27 Dec 2016
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        1. Oatmeal Agitante‏ @BagelDaughter 27 Dec 2016
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          actually this is one place where I diverge quite a lot from "canon" regarding infohazards. Have a hard time with that concept

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        2. Grognor‏ @Grognor 27 Dec 2016
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          it seems to me that most infohazards are game-theoretic (hence strategic ignorance) or emotionally sapping in some way

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        1. Grognor‏ @Grognor 27 Dec 2016
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          it's true that the goal of solving the problem and convincing others that solving the problem is important are distinct

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