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Code farmer. Security, crypto, performance, networking, usability. Rust, C++, C, Haskell, DSLs, etc. *ring*, webpki, crypto-bench, mozilla::pkix.

Honolulu & San Francisco
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    1. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 13 Jan 2016
      Replying to @BRIAN_____

      @BRIAN_____ Don't exaggerate. A decade ago was pre-Chrome, Mozilla was between 50 and 100 people (rough memory), more urgent priorities.

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    2. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 13 Jan 2016
      Replying to @BrendanEich

      @BrendanEich Internet Explorer 7 was released in October 2006 and it had a sandbox. (Maybe not the best one ever made, granted.)

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    3. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 13 Jan 2016
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      @BRIAN_____ I wish Moz had MSFT engineering strength back then. We did not. We knew about Gazelle then, knew of Chrome by 2006 summer. FWIW.

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    4. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 13 Jan 2016
      Replying to @BrendanEich

      @BrendanEich My point is that responsible/coordinated disclosure creates complacency. In Java and Flash & elsewhere too. Not to pick on you!

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    5. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 13 Jan 2016
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      @BRIAN_____ I pick on me all the time, no worries. Your point went further though. Open vuln bugs would have perverse outcomes you left out.

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    6. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 13 Jan 2016
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      @BrendanEich No doubt there are short-term negative effects. I think, in the end, users would benefit more from full disclosure more.

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    7. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 13 Jan 2016
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      @BRIAN_____ I doubt that knowing how MS bundled fixes & gamed perception system. Besides likely bad hat attacks on Firefox in your scenario.

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    8. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 13 Jan 2016
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      @BrendanEich I don't mean to say that people should use full disclosure just for Firefox. I mean that everything should be full disclosure.

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    9. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 13 Jan 2016
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      @BRIAN_____ That's plainly unrealistic so bad actors win. You didn't advert to this but I believe you're a realist not idealist. Am I wrong?

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      Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 13 Jan 2016
      Replying to @BrendanEich

      @BrendanEich I think what I'm proposing isn't too different from what Microsoft experienced in the 90's. Windows security is better for it.

      6:59 PM - 13 Jan 2016
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        2. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 13 Jan 2016
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          @BRIAN_____ I'd love to hear from MS, but you're still ignoring the game theory. MS had OS monopoly on PC. Firefox restarted browser market.

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        3. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 13 Jan 2016
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          @BRIAN_____ Once restarted, competition favors non-disclosure, and well-funded vendors capture researchers. Maybe you are an idealist :-P.

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        4. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 13 Jan 2016
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          @BrendanEich Just a capitalist.

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        5. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 13 Jan 2016
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          @BRIAN_____ We weren't talking econ (+all materialist idealist systems are BS). As for Windows in the '90s, beware https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_fallacy ….

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        6. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 13 Jan 2016
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          @BRIAN_____ Moxie noted rise of Green Hats, which means top researchers work for vendors, or become arms dealers, defeating open-all-vulns.

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        7. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 13 Jan 2016
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          @BrendanEich After they get hired, don't they do tons of great work to secure their employers' products? That's a good result.

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        8. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 13 Jan 2016
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          @BRIAN_____ You are not arguing now. Let's take a break.

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        9. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 13 Jan 2016
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          @BrendanEich Tell your publisher I want to pre-order your book.

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