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Code farmer. Security, crypto, performance, networking, usability. Rust, C++, C, Haskell, DSLs, etc. *ring*, webpki, crypto-bench, mozilla::pkix.

Honolulu & San Francisco
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    1. Mike West‏ @mikewest 27 Nov 2015

      Also, @metromoxie has implemented a pass at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-west-leave-secure-cookies-alone …. We might still tweak the eviction rules, but secure now means secure.

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    2. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 27 Nov 2015
      Replying to @mikewest

      @mikewest @metromoxie Is it not possible to simply say that you should never delete a secure cookie to make room for a non-secure cookie?

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    3. Mike West‏ @mikewest 27 Nov 2015
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      @BRIAN_____: Yes. That's what we want to say. That's what I think the spec says. I'm pretty sure that's what @metromoxie implemented. :)

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    4. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 27 Nov 2015
      Replying to @mikewest

      @mikewest @metromoxie "before removing any non-expired secure cookie" != "without ever removing any non-expired secure cookie".

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    5. Mike West‏ @mikewest 27 Nov 2015
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      @BRIAN_____: So if inserting a non-secure cookie would trigger eviction, _it_ would be removed. @metromoxie

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      Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 27 Nov 2015
      Replying to @mikewest

      @mikewest @metromoxie "it" = the new non-secure cookie? If so, I agree that's what should happen; It's not clear that that's what spec says.

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        2. Mike West‏ @mikewest 27 Nov 2015
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          @BRIAN_____: We agree on the expectation, so I'm happy to clarify in the spec. What would you like it to say? @metromoxie

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        3. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 27 Nov 2015
          Replying to @mikewest

          @mikewest @metromoxie Call out the case where eviction is triggered by insertion, noting the to-be-inserted cookie needs to be considered.

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        2. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 27 Nov 2015
          Replying to @BRIAN_____

          @mikewest @metromoxie In particular, I expect implementations will do:: while (not enough space) { evict a cookie } insert the new cookie

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        3. Mike West‏ @mikewest 27 Nov 2015
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          @BRIAN_____: I'm 99% sure that's not the way Chrome works, as I just reviewed @metromoxie's patch. We insert, then garbage-collect.

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        4. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 27 Nov 2015
          Replying to @mikewest

          @mikewest @metromoxie Not questioning that. I'm just saying that the spec seems to currently allow the behavior I described.

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        5. Mike West‏ @mikewest 27 Nov 2015
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          @BRIAN_____: I think it doesn't, but the only way to know that is to read all of the existing RFC, which is nuts. I'll clarify. @metromoxie

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        6. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 27 Nov 2015
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          @mikewest @metromoxie In the IETF anything not explicitly disallowed is allowed. Nothing disallows eviction before step 1 in RFC6265§5.3.

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        7. Mike West‏ @mikewest 27 Nov 2015
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          @BRIAN_____: Uploading an -04 shortly that I hope clarifies the intent. @metromoxie

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