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Code farmer. Security, crypto, performance, networking, usability. Rust, C++, C, Haskell, DSLs, etc. *ring*, webpki, crypto-bench, mozilla::pkix.

Honolulu & San Francisco
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    1. Brave Software‏Verified account @brave Oct 18

      Today's new desktop browser replaces the Muon-based version on our site. Users who now browse with the Muon version (0.25.2) will get Muon updates until they are fully upgraded to this new version in the near future. They can also download the new version:https://brave.com/download/ 

      41 replies 45 retweets 147 likes
    2. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ Oct 19
      Replying to @brave @BrendanEich

      I'm genuinely curious: Why did the first version use Electron? What was the benefit that Electron offered over "pure" Chromium?

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    3. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich Oct 19
      Replying to @BRIAN_____ @brave

      We had few people, fewer C++ hackers, and relatively lots of UX to do. Seed 1 funding was small, chromium FE needs more than a few hands (e.g., just to neuter all the requests to Google servers), the Gecko-based version had HTML UX, so...

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      Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ Oct 19
      Replying to @BrendanEich @brave

      OK. I don't know how Electron addresses those issues but I don't doubt that it did something to make it less work to get started.

      12:38 AM - 19 Oct 2018
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        2. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich Oct 19
          Replying to @BRIAN_____ @brave

          VS Code, Slack, Atom, Signal Desktop, many others use Electron. It is catnip to web devs who know Node.js. We had to turn on chromium sandboxing in a hurry, then fork harder to fix other security bugs. But as noted it's absolutely easier than alternatives to knock out lots of UX.

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        3. Rob Palmer‏ @robpalmer2 Oct 19
          Replying to @BrendanEich @BRIAN_____ @brave

          Is the 22% performance win in latest Brave browser due to eliminating fundamental overheads imposed by Electron/Muon? Or is it because direct Chromium embedding let's you use a newer & faster Chromium version?

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        4. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich Oct 19
          Replying to @robpalmer2 @BRIAN_____ @brave

          We keep up with chromium stable in all products so cr version will not differ comparing stable to stable. But now that you mention it, https://brave.com/new-brave-22-percent-faster/ … should’ve been explicit about chromium version for Brave 0.24.0 (cr 69) vs brave-core 0.55.12 beta. Cc: @convoluted_code.

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        5. Rob Palmer‏ @robpalmer2 Oct 20
          Replying to @BrendanEich @BRIAN_____ and

          Thank you for the article update. It is now explicit. "Brave 0.24.0 is based on Chromium build 69.0.3497.100, while Brave Core 0.55.12 uses a newer Chromium build 70.0.3538.45" Not a big delta, so I remain curious on the cause of the 22% perf win.

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        6. Ben Livshits‏ @convoluted_code Oct 20
          Replying to @robpalmer2 @BrendanEich and

          Rob, we measured Chrome 69 vs Chrome 70 -- the difference on most site is very small, a few percentage points, the median under normal laptop coniditions is Chrome 70 being 2% *slower*. So, it seems that the new Brave architecture is the main source of the perf improvement.

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        7. 0.0 Island Fox‏ @fanexfox Oct 20
          Replying to @convoluted_code @BrendanEich and

          From just a normal user standpoint Edge is faster and uses less resources than chrome on my laptop.

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        8. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich Oct 20
          Replying to @fanexfox @convoluted_code and

          Have you tried Brave? Part of the resource hit with any browser (could be a large part depending on sites you browse) is all the third party scripts for ad tracking and targeting. Curious how the latest at https://brave.com/download  works for you. Thx

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