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CEO @LambdaSchool (YC S17): A CS education that's free until you get a job. I have made remarks that I do not agree with.

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    Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred Mar 24

    Here's a real-world example: A code bootcamp that charges $10k/student recorded *the entire code bootcamp* and put it online, self-paced for $3k/student. 50 people signed up and paid $3k. *One* person made it past the first 45 min lesson. He quit after lesson 3.

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      2. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Mar 24
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        The stats on viewership for (much shorter) courses that I've been involved with were also below my naive expectations, though might partly be because they were structured to support "Just skip to the X% relevant to your present needs."

        1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
      3. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred Mar 24
        Replying to @patio11

        I’ve seen enough of them now that I consider the “well only learn what you need to” and “some people were just sampling” to be a cop out. It’s certainly true, but you can find people who are determined, and that cohort still has 2% completion. It’s shockingly bad for some reason.

        3 replies 2 retweets 14 likes
      4. Patrick McKenzie‏ @patio11 Mar 24
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Yep. FWIW, substantially all of my friends who sell or are involved with infoproducts have directionally similar experiences. They've experimented with interesting things to boost actual student success, including "put a teacher in it", first-party coaching/CS, P2P ...

        4 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
      5. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred Mar 24
        Replying to @patio11

        Yup. I sell a book I wrote for $100 (!). Less than 50% of the people that purchase it ever even download it. We had to figure it out for Lambda School or we’d go broke. I’m 99% confident it’s a solved problem, but with no skin in the game + online class was difficult to solve

        3 replies 8 retweets 38 likes
      6. Dan Naumov‏ @dnaumov Mar 25
        Replying to @AustenAllred @patio11

        Wait, wait. People buy a 100$ book and then don’t succeed in downloading it? And this is more than half of all sales? What is the sales channel?

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      7. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred Mar 25
        Replying to @dnaumov @patio11

        Yup. Normal channels, mostly content marketing. I don’t think it’s abnormal for any informational product.

        1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
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      2. Bill Masur‏ @futureinmindd Mar 25
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        I actually think the lack of discipline in adults is due in some part to previous schooling. We pound the curiosity and desire to learn out of children. It's this whole concept that all you need is a diploma and your life will be set. It makes people comfortable and complacent

        2 replies 2 retweets 15 likes
      3. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred Mar 25
        Replying to @futureinmindd

        Agreed

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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      1. UX.pragmatist‏ @ClayNichols Mar 25
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        How many therapists does it take to change a lightbulb? Only one. But the lightbulb has to WANT to change.

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      2. Abhijit Sharma‏ @abhijitysharma Mar 24
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        There has been no evidence of any purely digital (or crowd-based) system being able to ensure the discipline necessary for a student to understand, and complete something. This will need a human in the loop. A person to be accountable to. And a person to keep track of. To guide

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      3. Abhijit Sharma‏ @abhijitysharma Mar 24
        Replying to @abhijitysharma @AustenAllred

        Now this human coach doesn't scale. And won't be cheap. Which is where the challenge lies.

        0 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
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      2. Yves Muya-Benda‏ @yvesmuyabenda Mar 25
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Yves Muya-Benda Retweeted Yves Muya-Benda

        One variable that I have been considering is the lack of explicit practice routines in tech infoproducts, with much of tacit knowledge being how to learn to learn a topic:https://twitter.com/yvesmuyabenda/status/976153277334245376 …

        Yves Muya-Benda added,

        Yves Muya-Benda @yvesmuyabenda
        Replying to @argumatronic
        I wrote and deleted a twitter thread on the premise that the lack of an explicit culture of conscious practice, limits programming to those with a combination of determination, natural flair, and an effective support/mentor network.
        1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
      3. Yves Muya-Benda‏ @yvesmuyabenda Mar 25
        Replying to @yvesmuyabenda @AustenAllred

        Here is what an explicit practice routine looks like when spelled out, a graphic by @chriscookejazz http://learnjazzfaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/designing-your-practice-plan.png …, who addresses the problem that jazz improvisors have a tonne of information they need to learn how to fluidly apply in context in the moment.

        1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
      4. Yves Muya-Benda‏ @yvesmuyabenda Mar 25
        Replying to @yvesmuyabenda @AustenAllred @chriscookejazz

        Yves Muya-Benda Retweeted Yves Muya-Benda

        When I am talking about learning how to learn and tacit knowledge, I am talking about really simple things that even experienced tech folk have responded to, simply things like a process of how to read code:https://twitter.com/yvesmuyabenda/status/976949866617327618 …

        Yves Muya-Benda added,

        Yves Muya-Benda @yvesmuyabenda
        One of the few pieces of advice on the topic of reading code that I have found to be practical, useful, and insightful: "Find one thing you know the code does, and trace those actions backward, starting at the end." https://selftaughtcoders.com/how-to-quickly-and-effectively-read-other-peoples-code/ … by @alexpcoleman
        2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
      5. Dawn Ahukanna‏ @dawnahukanna Mar 26
        Replying to @yvesmuyabenda @AustenAllred @chriscookejazz

        Learning isn’t only about the content medium, also about presenting content to sustain motivation & endurance via training & practice. Needs time, space & an environment for the learning activities.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Yves Muya-Benda‏ @yvesmuyabenda Mar 27
        Replying to @dawnahukanna @AustenAllred @chriscookejazz

        I was taking the time and space and environment as given, as well as determination, and motivation; and focusing more on how an individual proceses the content to turn it into long-lasting skill.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Yves Muya-Benda‏ @yvesmuyabenda Mar 27
        Replying to @yvesmuyabenda @dawnahukanna and

        The tech industry mainly gives information dumps, or walks someone through some activity; but for me the bottleneck is that many do not gain the kind of indepedent study skills required from school, unless they learnt of practice routines in learning, say, a musical instrument.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      8. Yves Muya-Benda‏ @yvesmuyabenda Mar 27
        Replying to @yvesmuyabenda @dawnahukanna and

        I say this as someone who had to unlearn the many bad-habits the emphasis on rote memorization in schools has; eventhough my dominant learning style has always been what might be "independent investigator/experimenter".

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      1. Daniil Bratchenko‏ @d_bratchenko Mar 25
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Online courses miss a fixed “when” parameter so they get postponed forever. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implementation_intention …

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