Imagine 100 randomly selected people. 50 are put in a University Shakespeare class. Attendance marked, reading assigned, reports written, grades given. The other 50 were given the same amount of time to explore Shakespeare on their own. Who do you honestly think learns more?
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If that's the case, it means two things: 1. By learning self discipline and finding the right content you can free yourself from the need of an expensive classroom 2. Self-learning being available will be wildly helpful to a few people, but not very helpful to most
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A large reason why classes work is because of social pressure, the motivation from being surrounded by peers who are going through roughly the same journey as you are is incredibly powerful. Would you agree?
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I'm not sure "the average person" exists. I think every person needs to be thought of as weird because every person is weird and a system that is designed for the "avg person" is devising an attempt to make us square pegs fit into its round holes.
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As far as Shakespeare goes, in the long-term I think the second unstructured group would learn more. I'm not so sure I still even remember most of the books I was assigned in lit classes. Except I do remember more vividly books I was able to pick myself.
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Now maybe that wasn't a great student, but if that ought to disqualify me from reaping the same benefits from my schooling process as my classmates, then school is *de facto* a competition to be the most average
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Now maybe that's because I wasn't a great student* -- And even though I think the 2nd group would learn more unstructured. I think the people in the first classroom group be better groomed to match society's expectations of youth by the end. (punctual, follows directions, etc)
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This may be counter intuitive. Maybe we are mistaking the value of school for the wrong thing. Maybe schools are really good at producing people who seem smarter than they really are. Maybe marketing of school is so deeply engraved in our heads we form a natural bias for it. idk
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in my podcast ive asked 8 bootcamp graduates whether open sourcing the syllabus of the bootcamp would change their mind about taking the bootcamp. 8 out of 8 said no.
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It all comes down to WHY. When your WHY is strong enough, you begin to change anything and everything to accomplish your goal.
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totally agree. I say as: what we call ‘education’ not just ‘instruction’ – it’s ‘instruction + motivation’; motivation remains bottleneck & still reqs artifice/peer-pressure/status-competition & other expensive/positional inputs no matter how cheap instruction can be made w/ tech
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I have a lot of negative emotions associated with this sort of perspective. I find it to be cruel and dehumanizing. the idea that the average human is broken or lazy is, imo, determined/derived from a sort of capitalism-industrialization fetish. school as cog-regulation
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I feel that the experiment's flawed to begin with. Why are randomly people being forced to learn Shakespeare? Why should the selection be random? Randomly people put through Basic Training will also be more effective killers than self-learned militia. But why are we doing this?
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Does lack of interest in a curriculum chosen by complete strangers mean someone is broken and/or lazy? I guess sometimes it could. But I suspect many have strong natural interests in things outside the curriculum and can succeed in environments other than school.
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Per “ppl broken” frame: just noting everyone successfully self-learns on topics they find enjoyable, & struggles when it’s something they don’t enjoy. Just like exercise, eating habits etc - if it feels unrewarding, ppl quit even if they intellectually know it’s good for them.
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Reminds me of Tiger Mom book: mom describes forcing her kids to take lessons they hated “because nobody likes something they suck at, so you have to get good first then decide if you want to stop.” There’ll likely always need to be some social forcing/encouragement in education.
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I thought this for a long time but it probably doesn't do that either. At best, we have the pre-antibiotic medicine version of education.https://twitter.com/bswud/status/884430846312275973 …
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Have you talked to ppl who
#Homeschool to see how they keep thier kids learning? They may have some techniques u can steal. Interesting convo at the very least.Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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