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CEO @LambdaSchool (YC S17): A CS education that's free until you get a job. I have made remarks that I do not agree with.

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    1. Florent Crivello‏ @Altimor Jan 20
      Replying to @bitemyapp @AustenAllred

      @bitemyapp @AustenAllred Idk, that point seems to defeat itself: the ones bright enough to not need that education probably don't seek it in the 1st place. At the end of the day I do believe quality bootcamps are net value creators.

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    2. Chris Allen ΧΡ (Odo) (CO, TX &  🎚)‏ @bitemyapp Jan 20
      Replying to @Altimor @AustenAllred

      Jesus Christ unis and bootcamps are not the only ways to get education or training. The alternatives are not "no education" I'd like to see a quality bootcamp someday. I think in general there's just too much to learn in the time allotted and there are more efficient ways.

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    3. Chris Allen ΧΡ (Odo) (CO, TX &  🎚)‏ @bitemyapp Jan 20
      Replying to @bitemyapp @Altimor @AustenAllred

      Further, for the nutty amount of upfront cost and risk (time and money opportunity cost) you're asking from your customers I'd at least hope something lower cost / lower risk had been tested and proven out first.

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    4. Florent Crivello‏ @Altimor Jan 20
      Replying to @bitemyapp @AustenAllred

      I guess that depends on your learning style, but people learn better in groups (humans being social animals yada yada) and guided by a person

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    5. Florent Crivello‏ @Altimor Jan 20
      Replying to @Altimor @bitemyapp @AustenAllred

      Learning by yourself is great when you already have basics – very challenging when you're starting from ground 0

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    6. Chris Allen ΧΡ (Odo) (CO, TX &  🎚)‏ @bitemyapp Jan 20
      Replying to @Altimor @AustenAllred

      I am not advocating "learning by yourself" nor is that what I've been doing with others.

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    7. Florent Crivello‏ @Altimor Jan 20
      Replying to @bitemyapp @AustenAllred

      Oh, my bad. What alternatives are you putting forth then?

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    8. Chris Allen ΧΡ (Odo) (CO, TX &  🎚)‏ @bitemyapp Jan 20
      Replying to @Altimor @AustenAllred

      I spent years teaching and learning from/with others before I started on the book, from there we had testing rounds of material before it got released. In addition to private feedback I've taught the material in the book as paid training

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    9. Florent Crivello‏ @Altimor Jan 20
      Replying to @bitemyapp @AustenAllred

      So, private tutoring? How much does that cost?

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    10. Chris Allen ΧΡ (Odo) (CO, TX &  🎚)‏ @bitemyapp Jan 20
      Replying to @Altimor @AustenAllred

      1. I wasn't done 2. You aren't engaging this in good faith.

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      Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred Jan 20
      Replying to @bitemyapp @Altimor

      I think what you should be looking at is from the perspective of your readers. Is reading your book necessarily the best way for someone to learn Haskell? What if a group of 20 ppl paid you to be with and tutor them full-time? Could that be worth the price?

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        1. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred Jan 20
          Replying to @AustenAllred @bitemyapp @Altimor

          At some level that's what a bootcamp *should* be (let's set aside how often that's not the case, because there are obvious scams). Multi-way learning that's responsive to particular circumstances is valuable and expensive. Learning from a book is valuable and cheap. Both are good

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        2. Chris Allen ΧΡ (Odo) (CO, TX &  🎚)‏ @bitemyapp Jan 20
          Replying to @AustenAllred @Altimor

          If it were, it would be because I developed and tested material up-front that I knew from actual empirical data was as effective as a book written with those particular approaches and priorities could be.

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        3. Chris Allen ΧΡ (Odo) (CO, TX &  🎚)‏ @bitemyapp Jan 20
          Replying to @bitemyapp @AustenAllred @Altimor

          Simply eschewing the hard work of developing pedagogically sound content and exercises doesn't mean you've obtained some sort of victory, you're just giving your students an inferior education. Content comes first whether it lives on pages or out of a mouth.

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        4. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred Jan 20
          Replying to @bitemyapp @Altimor

          Why assume that bootcamps "eschew the hard work of developing pedagogically sound content and exercises"? It sounds like what you're frustrated with is bad instruction, but you're doing so by arguing against a format of instruction.

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