Agreed, of course. And we also agree, I’m sure, that some need education on the margin. But there are people who could succeed on their own that will be even *more* successful with an education than on their own.
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Replying to @AustenAllred @Altimor
My point is about opportunity cost (for the students) and access. Manipulating admissions to make yourself look good and then charging 5 figures for something that produces worse outcomes than books + community support merits no praise.
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Those kinds of programs draw their time and resources away from better options that could've gotten them _further_ in their understanding and at a couple orders of magnitude lower cost.
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Further, you're assuming your ability to evaluate future outcomes and ability/adaptability is accurate and it is extremely unlikely that is the case or you'd find a more profitable use for that faculty than filtering for marginally-likely-to-succeed customers.
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So the filtering combined with the high cost, time demands, etc. leaves a lot of extremely talented but otherwise undeveloped and undiscovered people out in the cold in addition to parasitizing the likely-successful.
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Replying to @bitemyapp @AustenAllred
@bitemyapp@AustenAllred Idk, that point seems to defeat itself: the ones bright enough to not need that education probably don't seek it in the 1st place. At the end of the day I do believe quality bootcamps are net value creators.1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @Altimor @AustenAllred
Jesus Christ unis and bootcamps are not the only ways to get education or training. The alternatives are not "no education" I'd like to see a quality bootcamp someday. I think in general there's just too much to learn in the time allotted and there are more efficient ways.
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Further, for the nutty amount of upfront cost and risk (time and money opportunity cost) you're asking from your customers I'd at least hope something lower cost / lower risk had been tested and proven out first.
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You can hammer out a curriculum/learning resources without asking for $250,000 from a classroom of victims.
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Replying to @bitemyapp @AustenAllred
1/ Cmon, $250k, are we still talking of bootcamps? 2/ re: the risk factor, some schools like
@holbertonschool (which I think invented the concept) charge only a % of salary for 2y, *only if the student finds a job within X months*1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
The expense of bootcamps (and most education) is mostly people
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