Looking at them under the light of self-selection effect, bootcamps are an excellent source of engineers. Going to college signals your parents have money, and about yourself, maybe risk-aversion / conventionality. Bootcamps signal hustling, risk-tolerance, autonomy.
Agreed, of course. And we also agree, I’m sure, that some need education on the margin. But there are people who could succeed on their own that will be even *more* successful with an education than on their own.
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My point is about opportunity cost (for the students) and access. Manipulating admissions to make yourself look good and then charging 5 figures for something that produces worse outcomes than books + community support merits no praise.
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Those kinds of programs draw their time and resources away from better options that could've gotten them _further_ in their understanding and at a couple orders of magnitude lower cost.
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Further, you're assuming your ability to evaluate future outcomes and ability/adaptability is accurate and it is extremely unlikely that is the case or you'd find a more profitable use for that faculty than filtering for marginally-likely-to-succeed customers.
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So the filtering combined with the high cost, time demands, etc. leaves a lot of extremely talented but otherwise undeveloped and undiscovered people out in the cold in addition to parasitizing the likely-successful.
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@bitemyapp@AustenAllred Idk, that point seems to defeat itself: the ones bright enough to not need that education probably don't seek it in the 1st place. At the end of the day I do believe quality bootcamps are net value creators. -
Jesus Christ unis and bootcamps are not the only ways to get education or training. The alternatives are not "no education" I'd like to see a quality bootcamp someday. I think in general there's just too much to learn in the time allotted and there are more efficient ways.
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Further, for the nutty amount of upfront cost and risk (time and money opportunity cost) you're asking from your customers I'd at least hope something lower cost / lower risk had been tested and proven out first.
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I guess that depends on your learning style, but people learn better in groups (humans being social animals yada yada) and guided by a person
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