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    Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred 21 Nov 2017

    It's funny to see everyone praise Amazon for investing all of their money for a really long time, then in the next breath talk about how Tesla is doomed because it isn't profitable

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      1. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred 21 Nov 2017

        I would be surprised if Tesla weren't worth over $300B in 10 years.

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      2. Wiley Jones‏ @wileycwj 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        not about profitability. it's about overpromising and underdelivering. Amazon has consistently done the opposite.

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      3. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @wileycwj

        Amazon hasn't promised anything, they just deliver. Tesla promises 100% impossible and gets 90% of the way there

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      4. Wiley Jones‏ @wileycwj 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Amazon definitely makes promises. They try pretty audacious stuff, it's not as hyped. Kiva Robotics in the factories. Amazon stores. Same day delivery. Drone delivery. Not to mention the original content push.

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      5. Wiley Jones‏ @wileycwj 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @wileycwj @AustenAllred

        but to your original point, Amazon's financial approach and Tesla's couldn't be more different.

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      6. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @wileycwj

        Their financial approaches are almost identical, just in different markets. 10 years ago people were saying the same things people are saying about Tesla today.

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      7. Wiley Jones‏ @wileycwj 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        IIRC Amazon has always reinvested earnings to build out new offerings and invest in infrastructure. Tesla is taking future product pre-orders to fund previous product pre-orders which haven't been fulfilled. Different.

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      8. Wiley Jones‏ @wileycwj 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @wileycwj @AustenAllred

        One is taking out a loan to build out revenue streams which is used to get more loans and it loops. One is taking out loans to fulfil loans.

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      2. Market Death Spiral‏ @sspencer_smb 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Amazon didn't need to borrow every six months to stay in business.

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      3. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @sspencer_smb

        Because Amazon wasn't in a capital intensive business. If it were building cars it absolutely would have.

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      4. Market Death Spiral‏ @sspencer_smb 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        But that difference makes Tesla beholden to debt & equity markets, which is a real risk to their biz. The next 24 months should be make or break for them.

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      1. Rome Strach‏ @romn8tr 22 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred @vicentes

        Have made exact comparison last 48hours, indeed. Does anyone remember how long Bezos’ Amazon wasn’t profitable? People are funny.

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      2. Gabe McFadden‏ @gabemcfadden 21 Nov 2017
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        If I were oil companies.. I would spend a lot of money to use social media to try and bury tesla with negative press

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      3. Steve‏ @steveshmidt 22 Nov 2017
        Replying to @gabemcfadden @AustenAllred

        Which is exactly what they are doing. When GM recalls millions of vehicles after dozens of people die using their cars its barely a footnote. When Tesla has an insignificant parking break recall it’s huge news for a month

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      1. Tarun Gangwani‏ @tarungangwani 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        What would be scary is if Tesla figured out a partnership with other car manufacturers to provide their superchargers and create charging as a service.

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      2. Rhett‏ @rhettweller 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        What is the scalable advantage Tesla has in it's business model?

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      1. Michael Mintz‏ @mintzworld 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Believe in Bezos, Musk, and Jack.

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      2. hello‏ @bobpoekert 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Amazon keeps huge amounts of cash reserves

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      3. hello‏ @bobpoekert 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @bobpoekert @AustenAllred

        if the stock market throws a temper tantrum Amazon can live off its cash pile while it waits for revenue to pick up but tesla can't

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