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    Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred 21 Nov 2017

    Do people really think Tesla will actually just run out of money? In this market? The stock could get hammered, sure, but actually not be able to raise funds and go out of business?

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      1. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred 21 Nov 2017

        I mean I bet there are a half dozen *individuals* Elon could call that would give him enough cash to not let the company die, if he needed to

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      2. Jeffrey Higgins‏ @JeffreyHiggins 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Is there any level of burn rate that would concern you? At some point (I am not saying I know when) it becomes dangerous.

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      3. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @JeffreyHiggins

        It's dangerous now but not deadly. As long as they can figure out some reasonable level of production in the next couple years they'll be fine. Even if it's model s level, which they've already done.

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      4. Matthew Battle‏ @librab103 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred @JeffreyHiggins

        Tesla has been producing cars since 2008 and only has posted profits twice since going public in 2010. The more they sell the more they lose. Clearly Tesla has the wrong business model

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      5. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @librab103 @JeffreyHiggins

        That's because they invest more than they bring in, not because they couldn't make money just selling model Ss

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      6. Matthew Battle‏ @librab103 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred @JeffreyHiggins

        You mean profit and most people believe that could be true but a company doesn't sell the same product indefinitely at the same price and think it can stay profitable.

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      7. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @librab103 @JeffreyHiggins

        https://a16z.com/2014/09/05/why-amazon-has-no-profits-and-why-it-works/ …

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      8. Matthew Battle‏ @librab103 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred @JeffreyHiggins

        Can we stop comparing Tesla to companies like Amazon, Apple, Google? It is a car manufacturer that so it needs to be compared to Ford, GM, Toyota, etc.

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      9. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @librab103 @JeffreyHiggins

        It's the point you're missing. If a company is unprofitable only because they're dumping a ton of cash into R&D you should look at it differently. Tesla's margins are the same as Ford, GM, Toyota, etc, they're just investing more.

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      2. Brad Dwyer‏ @braddwyer 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Probably not "in this market" but if the market turns? They may not be in a very strong position if macro events beyond their control change.

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      1. alex n‏ @gigatexal 21 Nov 2017
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        Elon is too magnanimous a figure and as such is promising the world such that he will never run out of money for Tesla. They have the potential to be THE automaker in the future much like Amazon is going to be the one stop for everything online.

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      1. Djames‏ @Jamesthesnake 21 Nov 2017
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        I mean it's not like Elon has clout or rich friends

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      1. Adi Pineapple‏ @AdiTMDPineapple 22 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Yes. Tesla made it clear that they only care about client acquisition and not retention which is starting to catch a bad rap (at least here in South Florida) where people need to wait 3 mo for parts replacement.

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      1. Alex‏ @financialsigma 21 Nov 2017
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        What if/when the market turns around?

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      2. Matthew Battle‏ @librab103 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Yes. Who will continue to give a company who is burning through half a million dollars an hour and have nothing to show for it?

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      3. Matthew Battle‏ @librab103 21 Nov 2017
        Replying to @librab103 @AustenAllred

        Tesla can sell stock only if people are willing to buy it. How many times do you think Tesla can dilute the shares before the stock price has gone from $300 to less than $100 and everybody is selling?

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