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CEO @LambdaSchool (YC S17): A CS education that's free until you get a job. I have made remarks that I do not agree with.

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    Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred Oct 18

    I’ve noticed a pattern about CS degrees. The people that don’t have them think they’re the ultimate solution to technical education. The people that do have them say, “Man there has *got* to be a better way.”

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      2. Daniel Jiang‏ @againandadan Oct 18
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Yes! As a former CS major, I agree! The reason I switched away from CS is because the stuff they teach is useful, but taught at the wrong time and place (in my opinion). Teaching complex topics to people who can't write good code means they forget it after the semester is over.

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      3. Daniel Jiang‏ @againandadan Oct 18
        Replying to @againandadan @AustenAllred

        It's like teaching someone to draw, but you're starting off with color theory and types of styles rather than basic anatomy. Technically useful material, but only down the line once you have the foundational skills to use this type of knowledge.

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      1. Ekam Singh‏ @es_ekam Oct 18
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Dude I can barely focus on my uni classes anymore after trying out the 2 week Lambda Web Development precourse, it was so much more fun and better

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      1. One more thing...‏Verified account @davewiner Oct 18
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        I have one and think it has been incredibly useful. So there’s an exception to your rule. 🤓

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      2. Jack Golding‏ @goldingolding Oct 18
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Yep and those who do them wish they did a trade school in programming. Lots of people go to uni to get a high paying job now by unis don’t teach you to think like “we teach you java but do the jobs you want or companies you want to work for use java?”

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      3. Jack Golding‏ @goldingolding Oct 18
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        You are taught to think technology agnostic ally at uni but for a lot of jobs people don’t want to have to spend weeks teaching you hello word in the OOP language you didn’t use in uni

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      1. Devil's compiler‏ @devilscompiler Oct 18
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        In 2013 I AB tested resumes and there was a huge difference in whether you had the CS degree or "equivalent experience". CS degree: recruiters will talk to you No CS degree: you're basically invisible, but companies that exploit labor will sometimes reach out.

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      1. Michael Remondi‏ @michael_remondi Oct 18
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        I think many people treat their CS degree as a purely academic pursuit. It’s easy to get lost in the weeds of theory while completely forgetting the applied, job-oriented SE side of CS. The degree is worth more if you know where to apply what you’ve learned.

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      2. Ajit  ⚡️‏ @ajithimself Oct 18
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Is there an ultimate solution to technical education?

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      3. Taylor D. Edmiston  🧁 🏴‍☠️‏ @kicksopenminds Oct 19
        Replying to @ajithimself @AustenAllred

        Google + Stack Overflow

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      4. Taylor D. Edmiston  🧁 🏴‍☠️‏ @kicksopenminds Oct 19
        Replying to @kicksopenminds @ajithimself @AustenAllred

        But I do read a lot of (mostly O'Reilly) books on Safari too

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      1. Akul‏ @akul_kid Oct 18
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        This comes from a lack of understanding of what CS degrees are for (even amongst CS majors) - most of the grads who complain would probably be have been happier with a software engineering degree

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      1. Nityananda Rao‏ @nityarao1947 Oct 18
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Most of the Indian universities still teach basics of C & Java for CS engineers. Today market needs more than that. So nearly 70% of engineers are struggling to find a place in IT companies due to this Gap. Even training centers r failing here

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      1. Harrington‏ @iAmLikelyWrong Oct 18
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        Would you ever consider partnering with traditional colleges to complement their offerings with more practical programming courses?

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      1. Steffan Norberhuis‏ @SNorberhuis Oct 18
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        My CS degree has been highly useful. Straight after graduating, I was able to start freelancing and get exciting work to send my way. The curriculum closely matched what I am doing now!

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      1. Rehan Poonawala‏ @theRehanP Oct 18
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        It’s that way with most degrees!

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      1. Dylan Carty‏ @DylanJCarty Oct 19
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        I think for people who want to go into academia a CS degree is still a requirement. However, I could see opportunity for those who just want a job but I think not having a degree could hinder your ability to climb the corporate ladder at many companies.

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      1. RLangford‏ @RLangford18 Oct 19
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Is the demand for CS degrees going up or down? What is the annual output of CS degree holding folks?

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