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    1. Chris Anderson‏Verified account @chr1sa Jul 28

      It's time for schools to teach Python, not Java, as their main intro to computer science. Along with being easier to learn and *actually* able to run anywhere on anything (like Basic back in the day), it's the dominant language of AI and computer vision https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2018/07/19/python-has-brought-computer-programming-to-a-vast-new-audience?fsrc=scn/li/te/bl/ed/pythonhasbroughtcomputerprogrammingtoavastnewaudienceprogramminglanguages …pic.twitter.com/rtYxRIlu2P

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    2. aaron nathan‏ @AaronMNathan Jul 28
      Replying to @chr1sa

      FALSE! If you want to anything real in computer vision you should learn modern C++. Python is a great prototype tool but not good for real world application.

      10 replies 3 retweets 48 likes
    3. Chris Anderson‏Verified account @chr1sa Jul 28
      Replying to @AaronMNathan

      Yes, the underlying CV libraries are typically written in C++, but Python is most common higher-level language calling them. Python is the preferred usage for OpenCV & embedded CV like @openmvcam. Are you confusing writing libraries (few people) with using them (lots of people)?

      5 replies 2 retweets 37 likes
    4. aaron nathan‏ @AaronMNathan Jul 28
      Replying to @chr1sa @openmvcam

      From my perspective you can't ship automotive code or control systems generally written in interpreted languages, regardless of what level you're using a library. As a student you should be learning how the library works (c++) not just how to invoke (python)

      4 replies 2 retweets 20 likes
    5. Chris Anderson‏Verified account @chr1sa Jul 28
      Replying to @AaronMNathan @openmvcam

      That's a pretty narrow definition of what CS students do today. As someone who has shipped 2m+ drones with higher level code in Python (and lower level control systems in C++), there's a place for both but the vast majority of students will be better off with Python now

      6 replies 1 retweet 45 likes
    6. Shahan Avedian‏ @Avedian4 Jul 29
      Replying to @chr1sa @AaronMNathan @openmvcam

      From my perspective- as a technical recruiter - all I see is roles for developers who can code in python. C++ roles are now very rare . I love seeing C++ fluency in the resume( usually from 1990’s ) - but without python it’s not going to generate an interview request.

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    7. aaron nathan‏ @AaronMNathan Jul 29
      Replying to @Avedian4 @chr1sa @openmvcam

      The exact opposite problem at my company working on AVs. Many applicants with Python experience from great universities, but you also need engineers who can write safe, effective and modern c++ if you want to ship to car companies. A rare commodity.

      2 replies 2 retweets 8 likes
    8. Chris Anderson‏Verified account @chr1sa Jul 29
      Replying to @AaronMNathan @Avedian4 @openmvcam

      Agreed. Which is why I said "intro", not "only"

      2 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
    9. Lucas Holt‏ @laffer1 Jul 29
      Replying to @chr1sa @AaronMNathan and

      While using python as an intro language could work, it's important that students use C/C++ to learn about memory management and what they gain and lose by GC. Further, students should learn threading and async/event driven programming now.

      2 replies 3 retweets 11 likes
    10. Chris Anderson‏Verified account @chr1sa Jul 29
      Replying to @laffer1 @AaronMNathan and

      I agree. Although Python supports threading, it's not graceful or particularly easy. And it's not really built as a UI language, so event-driven elements are also add-ons, not native. My kids start with Python and then Swift on iOS/Xcode, which is best of both worlds

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      Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred Aug 18
      Replying to @chr1sa @laffer1 and

      At Lambda School we start with JavaScript (run everywhere, easy to see results, unavoidable web lang) then move to python then C to deal with lower level stuff. Schools tend to do the reverse, starting with low level, and I’ve never understood why.

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        2. Lucas Holt‏ @laffer1 Aug 18
          Replying to @AustenAllred @chr1sa and

          Well I've seen problems going to easy too. For instance, one university I went to used bluej for intro to java. When students took the second class, they were freaking out in the labs trying to understand eclipse or how java handles class files.

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        3. Lucas Holt‏ @laffer1 Aug 18
          Replying to @laffer1 @AustenAllred and

          I think it's ok to start with python or javascript but when you switch to a tougher language, you also need to put in the time with students to catch them up.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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