This is bullshit. To me this says that a start up doesn't give a shit about family, hobbies, mental health. You can keep your start up job if that's the case. And shove it. Related: I work at one that basically enforces 7 hour days and we are doing very alright thank you.
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Talking about founders, and your tone is insane for jumping into a “controversial belief” convo
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Sorry, as I said elsewhere, founders is a different matter and a choice - but context was lost as ever on twitter, I didn't see the original 'controversial belief's. I just want anyone reading it as I read it to recognise the alternative (and I believe true) reality of start ups.
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Here's another one: if burning out employees is Plan A for an endeavor, you're either not interested in the long term success of your company or you're a short sighted narcissist. Related: People believe the reverse largely because they lack empathy, not because others are weak
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+ Bootstrapping is still underrated: Most Founders should bootstrap much longer and focus on being profitable. Learn about profit marges, forces you to listen better to customers, better for culture and better to create your own destiny.
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I think many (usually young) startup founders do the reverse (more 80+ hours) because they typically have no domain experience and don’t understand their customer. It’s really just an inefficiency problem.
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They're trading in time to account for lack of expertise, right? Seems reasonable, since that time creates expertise. We don't have the option to be a better, more-experienced person :)
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That is where co-founding with someone who is a domain expert is important or at least bringing them in as mentors/employees. There are far too many startups from founders that think they have a brilliant idea for an area they know little about... one reason most startups fail.
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Good advice is a must, absolutely! The number of domains one needs to be an expert in as a founding CEO is staggering. Personally, a lot my need-more-than-8-hours is spending time with those advisors so that I can see around corners and avoid major time-sucking mistakes.
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I think you’re taking this one too personal :) The fact that you use the word “imperative” means that you don’t think this is your opinion anymore, but the Truth. Also, how exactly does thinking the reverse make me feel better??
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On the contrary, I think the idea of overworking helps most founders “feel better” because they’re “grinding” & “ crushing it”.
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Agree is possible/necessary but, with all due respect.. it requires great discipline to look after your health, hours of sleep, and regular recovery/breaks.
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worker burnout is the cost of SV's success. It wouldn't be the place it is without attracting thousands of bright young people willing to work 18 hr days
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I’ve found when you’re hot on the trail of something new that has you in its grip it’s hard to not “work”, even though you really should to maintain health and perspective.
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I don’t think it’s as black and white as either option. Some days are more productive than others and you put less hours on the clock. There are other days where you must put in more than eight hours. The type of work may require such. We can all be more effective.
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Have you ever tracked your time in detail? (Timers off for any breaks, no matter how small.) I’ve found that even when I worked from waking up to going to sleep, an 8-hour day was an outlier
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Exactly, there's a huge difference between hours spent in the office and hours spent doing productive work. Things like pomodoro technique make it visible. Most people overestimate the hours they actually work.
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There is actually a lot of studies that demonstrate that systematically requiring employees to work long hours gets you less productivity than just working 8. You can have sprints and get short gains but would need rest right after. If interested, I’d happily find the paper.
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Mind posting some proofs you’ve been working 10 hours a day for 3 years in a row? Working, not commuting around
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