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CEO @LambdaSchool (YC S17): A CS education that's free until you get a job. I have made remarks that I do not agree with.

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    Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred Aug 4

    Me: “I think it will be good that colleges will publish the outcomes and debt loads of various majors so people know what they’re getting into” Twitter mob: “You are evil and hate the liberal arts!”

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      2. Cole Kennedy‏ @cdohertyk Aug 4
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        It’s fine to create Lambda School and also respect that the liberal arts are still valuable despite that they don’t work in your model. It’s not a binary. That’s the thing that irks people.

        2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
      3. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred Aug 4
        Replying to @cdohertyk

        I have no problem with liberal arts!!!

        1 reply 0 retweets 22 likes
      4. Cole Kennedy‏ @cdohertyk Aug 4
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        It’s just that the entire model of Lambda is at odds with what the liberal arts preach. They’re entirely incompatible. Unless there’s something I’m not considering?

        3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Zach Tratar‏ @zachtratar Aug 4
        Replying to @cdohertyk @AustenAllred

        They aren't incompatible -- they are different markets entirely. This is like saying vocational schools and college aren't compatible. Many do both.

        1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
      6. Cole Kennedy‏ @cdohertyk Aug 4
        Replying to @zachtratar @AustenAllred

        Find me one person who has completed both trade school and a 4-year degree and maybe I’ll listen to that argument. The literal point is that they are incompatible because they are different markets. Lambda is not a panacea. It’s an improvement on the trade school model.

        6 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred Aug 4
        Replying to @cdohertyk @zachtratar

        I have a school full of them

        1 reply 0 retweets 20 likes
      8. Cole Kennedy‏ @cdohertyk Aug 4
        Replying to @AustenAllred @zachtratar

        I have yet to hear you say that non-technical degrees are a worthwhile pursuit.

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      9. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred Aug 4
        Replying to @cdohertyk @zachtratar

        It depends. Some are some aren’t

        1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
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      2. fredzannarbor‏ @fredzannarbor Aug 4
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        I count only 2 mean replies in original thread ?

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      3. Austen Allred‏Verified account @AustenAllred Aug 5
        Replying to @fredzannarbor

        I blocked most so you won’t see their replies in the thread

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Maria Chong‏ @mariachong Aug 4
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        I do think education is much more than earning potential (God help the society organized around only efficiencies). But I get your point. We need to think better about this, esp. in terms of lifelong crippling debt for low income majors.

        1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
      3. Maria Chong‏ @mariachong Aug 4
        Replying to @mariachong @AustenAllred

        I'm sure you'd agree the answer isn't just "Moar STEM degrees" (we do need more), but also, how do we pay kindergarten teachers better. Civil society isn't going to function well without cops, librarians, preschools, artists, musicians.

        1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
      4. Ryan Jenkins‏ @RyanTheJenks Aug 4
        Replying to @mariachong @AustenAllred

        Precisely. The onus should be on the universities to reduce how much they charge for degrees in these fields. One huge way to pay kindergarten teachers better would be to reduce how much of their paycheck goes to paying student loans.

        0 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
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      1. Alex Shackelford‏ @tennisballboy5 Aug 4
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        I just pissed off a friend 10 minutes ago cuz I said 'non-online college is the next blockbuster video' lol

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      1. Sudha Lakshmi‏ @sudha_lakshmi Aug 4
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        I guess they (and a whole bunch of others) are going to be surprised when philosophy majors come out near the top in earnings. "[P]hilosophy majors have the fourth-highest median earnings" -https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/philosophers-dont-get-much-respect-but-their-earnings-dont-suck/ …

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      2. Adam John Lea  🦖‏ @adamjohnlea Aug 4
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        Who cares? If you've got the mob against you, you know you are doing the right thing.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      3. Wire Quotes And The News‏ @wire_quote Aug 4
        Replying to @adamjohnlea @AustenAllred

        As evidenced by this thread.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Shane Johnson‏ @AlwaysaGoodday1 Aug 5
        Replying to @AustenAllred

        I don’t think that... I think that college has shifted from education to job training. Very expensive training.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Ryan Casey‏ @ryansweb Aug 5
        Replying to @AlwaysaGoodday1 @AustenAllred

        Speaking from a very limited view as a hiring manager, I disagree with your statement significantly. In tech and bio, undergrad degrees do ab extremely poor job of prepping for real life experience. Most valuable exp is colleges are the co-ops folks do (aka-out of classroom).

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Shane Johnson‏ @AlwaysaGoodday1 Aug 5
        Replying to @ryansweb @AustenAllred

        You are correct and I misspoke... credentialling is their role in the guise of training. I don’t know correct answer but both training and classical education are important.

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