Where did you live?
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Eastern Ukraine: Donetsk, Kharkov, Makeevka, Gorlovka
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Not sure if I’m transliterating those names correctly, only know how they’re spelled in Russian
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No American would ever know the difference.
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You lived there *after* the post-Communist collapse. Ukrainians who actually experienced it also tend to have rose-colored glasses about the USSR: https://news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx …http://www.pewglobal.org/2011/12/05/confidence-in-democracy-and-capitalism-wanes-in-former-soviet-union/ …
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Calling Ukraine capitalist today is laughable. It went from bad to also bad. Sign me up for “neither”
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No, things got much, much worse after the Soviet collapse. They have started improving in some places.
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“It went from bad to also bad” that’s what I said
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There was no point in the post-war eastern bloc which things were as bad as they were in the 90s.
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I assure you that growing up in the Midwest, I heard zero rose-colored stories about the USSR, except from the Beatles, who were roundly mocked.
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Like the good lord in the Midwest intended
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I'm surprised you encounter Americans that feel that way. I've heard zero positive stories about life in USSR
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Allll the time
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As an American who feels there's benefit to a minimal universal healthcare system, I'd like to know what your experiences were. I understand that Communism was very much about everyone having the same unless you were a cut above "everyone" but that's it.
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Just talking healthcare: imagine a hospital covered in cats running all over the place and filthy, friend was sick. Diagnosis? “Drank cold water.” Went to a hospital in Germany to check, was appendicitis.
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I have never talked to an American about the USSR that didn’t view it as an absolute horror? What % of Americans do you think have a positive view of Soviet Russia?
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conversely, essentially 100% of Americans I have talked to equate *any* form of democratically decided social spending with authoritarian Bolshevism, Leninism, and Stalinism.
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But welfare for corporations? Who radically violate market principles, take tax-payer subsidized risks, almost destroy the economy, and know they have a safety net from the nanny state? That’s okay. That’s not an abuse of power, at all.
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meanwhile literally every other industrialized country in the world right now has better health care than the US, better outcomes and quality of life. But you can NEVER use these examples of successful “socialism,” because THE SOVIET UNION ONCE HAPPENED.
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If you have a big problem with Bolshevism, with Leninism, with Stalinism, with Maoism.... you (should) first and foremost have a problem with authoritarianism. Socialism is not the opposite of democracy, authoritarianism is.
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Those autocracies sold the label of “socialism” to their populations through massive propaganda to pose as vanguards of the people (whom they were destroying and enslaving) and consolidate power. They had about as much concern for actual socialism as Milton Friedman did.
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an analogy: take something almost no one would object to, like “ice cream Tuesday” at work, where every tues everyone gets free ice cream. Now what if at your company you get bad ice cream, plus you get beaten half to death, every Tuesday.
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You don’t actually object to ice cream, or ice cream Tuesday; you object to being beaten half to death. You call it being beaten, but they call it “ice cream Tuesday.” And so.... you make sure no one ever eats ice cream, but you ignore all the beatings.
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