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Surgeon, Writer, Researcher, Dilettante. https://www.ariadnelabs.org/  http://www.lifebox.org/ 

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    1. Felix Salmon‏Verified account @felixsalmon 2 Sep 2012

      Haldane: “Modern finance is too complex. You do not fight complexity with complexity.” http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Pages/news/2012/075.aspx …

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      Atul Gawande‏Verified account @Atul_Gawande 2 Sep 2012
      Replying to @felixsalmon

      .@felixsalmon Doesn't make sense. Cancer is complex. Surgery is complex. So don't fight cancer with surgery? Simplicity is preferable but...

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        2. Felix Salmon‏Verified account @felixsalmon 2 Sep 2012
          Replying to @Atul_Gawande

          @Atul_Gawande surgery is crisis management, not crisis prevention. Cancer prevention is simple, not complex. (Don't smoke!)

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        3. Atul Gawande‏Verified account @Atul_Gawande 2 Sep 2012
          Replying to @felixsalmon

          .@felixsalmon Ah, but getting people to stop smoking... Simple idea, complex execution (high taxes, restaurant bans, cultural opposition)

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        1. Michael Bolton‏ @michaelbolton 2 Sep 2012
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          @Atul_Gawande Complexity and simplicity are not attributes of things, but of our models of them. @felixsalmon

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        2. Michael Bolton‏ @michaelbolton 2 Sep 2012
          Replying to @Atul_Gawande

          @Atul_Gawande The difference between cancer and financial systems is that people create and can somewhat simplify the latter. @felixsalmon

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        3. jddj‏ @jddj 2 Sep 2012
          Replying to @michaelbolton

          @michaelbolton interesting, but: a) battery and lightbulb, b) multicore CPU. #qed @Atul_Gawande @felixsalmon

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        4. Michael Bolton‏ @michaelbolton 2 Sep 2012
          Replying to @jddj

          @jddj We can understand CPUs, but not comprehensively. cf. Pentium bug, Intel errata sheets, etc. CPU@atul_gawande @felixsalmon

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        5. jddj‏ @jddj 2 Sep 2012
          Replying to @michaelbolton

          @michaelbolton my point is: complexity is not simply an attribute of our mental model. It's often quantifiable. @Atul_Gawande @felixsalmon

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        6. Michael Bolton‏ @michaelbolton 2 Sep 2012
          Replying to @jddj

          @jddj Often quantifiable *by a mental model*, and that's where risk loves to hang out. #TheBlackSwan @atul_gawande @felixsalmon

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        7. jddj‏ @jddj 2 Sep 2012
          Replying to @michaelbolton

          @michaelbolton if the mental model is "apply power and it comes on", that hides real, irreducible complexity. @Atul_Gawande @felixsalmon

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        8. Michael Bolton‏ @michaelbolton 2 Sep 2012
          Replying to @jddj

          @jddj I was also thinking, "Obtain a bulb." Look at all the complexity behind that! Like: how was it made?@atul_gawande @felixsalmon

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        9. jddj‏ @jddj 2 Sep 2012
          Replying to @michaelbolton

          @michaelbolton "The Toaster Project": http://www.thetoasterproject.org/  @Atul_Gawande @felixsalmon

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        1. lloyd‏ @lighthouselloyd 13 Sep 2012
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          @Atul_Gawande @felixsalmon Complexity is reduced when variability is reduced. This is not happening in medicine.

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        1. Finance Watch‏ @forfinancewatch 3 Sep 2012
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          @Atul_Gawande @felixsalmon (Part 2/2) Solution: for example, leverage ratios for #banks are the way forward for #CRD4

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        1. Finance Watch‏ @forfinancewatch 3 Sep 2012
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          @Atul_Gawande @felixsalmon (Part 1/2) Haldane not >< complexity; he criticises that responses to crises have been to increase complexity!

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        1. Atanu Goswami‏ @dratanugoswami 2 Sep 2012
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          @Atul_Gawande @felixsalmon Question is how far do you go? Massive resections leading to no good, but still on, thinking it just might help.

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        1. Michael Handler‏ @handler 2 Sep 2012
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          @Atul_Gawande Human body is inherently irreducibly complex. Financial complexity is created, serves only the creators via asymmetric info.

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        1. Michael Bolton‏ @michaelbolton 2 Sep 2012
          Replying to @Atul_Gawande

          @Atul_Gawande Yet there are some surgeries you see as straightforward, relative to other surgeries. @felixsalmon

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        1. Michael Bolton‏ @michaelbolton 2 Sep 2012
          Replying to @Atul_Gawande

          @Atul_Gawande Example: there IS a simple answer to cancer: cut it out (oversimple). So we'll get you (complex) do the cutting. @felixsalmon

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        1. Michael Bolton‏ @michaelbolton 2 Sep 2012
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          @Atul_Gawande We're always try to understand things by using simpler models of them. But we must avoid *over*simplifying. @felixsalmon

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