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@Arcadian_O@wwaites so instead you will tell them to use a phone with GP on it? And you think that is a good idea if they are "at risk?" -
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@Arcadian_O@wwaites@whvholst this is the worst argument of all, that people can be safe with no knowledge of what they are doing. -
@dmytri@Arcadian_O@wwaites@whvholst why? People without the capacity to understand those hings, do not deserves crypto? -
@okhin@Arcadian_O@wwaites@whvholst they certainly deserve it, but it's dangerous. -
@dmytri@Arcadian_O@wwaites@whvholst why? Because clumsy interfaces keeps getting in their ways? -
@okhin@Arcadian_O@wwaites@whvholst because slick interfaces to do not guarantee safety. -
@dmytri@Arcadian_O@wwaites@whvholst I disagree with that. You can have a slick and comprehensive interface with safe defaults. -
@okhin@Arcadian_O@wwaites@whvholst how do you know it's safe when it requires proprietary software to be installed? -
@dmytri@Arcadian_O@wwaites@whvholst slick interface does not equals proprietary software. Eg: http://tox.chat - 14 more replies
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@Arcadian_O@dmytri@wwaites Exactly. OTR/PGP are completely inane elitist bollocks to people that are doing actual activism on the ground. -
@whvholst@Arcadian_O@wwaites "just install this magic software" is the wrong advice to give to "people at risk" especially when non-free. -
@dmytri@Arcadian_O@wwaites Requiring to understand magic of software (free or not) & crypto is an elitist requirement. Not buying it. -
@whvholst@Arcadian_O@wwaites OK, keep advising people to install Google Play then. I'll keep promoting free software. -
@dmytri@Arcadian_O@wwaites Or you could make a Google Play free fork of Signal. Get rid of the phone # as well, while you're at it. -
@whvholst@Arcadian_O@wwaites If you do that,@moxie will threaten to take his ball and go home, see#issue127 -
@dmytri@Arcadian_O@wwaites@moxie can go home for all I care if he gets in the way of progress. Google Play is a problem that needs fixing -
@whvholst@Arcadian_O@wwaites@moxie This is not a hypothetical, this is exactly what is happening, see issue127 among things.
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