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    1. HakimRamalla‏ @HacimMb Nov 8

      Summary: Scripture speaks and warns those in NC of real possibility of falling away like in OC. Paul in Romans and Col. speaks of baptism just like circumcision. Peter repeats the covenant formula in commanding baptism. No place in NT states children not incld in covenant rite.

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    2. Eric Rogers‏ @pastorErogers Nov 8
      Replying to @HacimMb

      No babies are baptized in the Bible. One is part of the NC by faith, then is baptized in NT model. Those who fall away from the covenant fall away from the faith.

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    3. AndyTGD‏ @AndyTGD Nov 9
      Replying to @pastorErogers @HacimMb

      1) Only that which is shown in the Bible is to be done. 2) No baptisms of children upon reaching the 'age of reason' or of the mentally-handicapped are in the Bible. ∴ We shouldn't baptize children upon reaching the 'age of reason' or mentally-handicapped people.

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    4. Eric Rogers‏ @pastorErogers Nov 9
      Replying to @AndyTGD @HacimMb

      I disagree that we do only what is shown but we do that which is commanded. Repent and be baptized is the model. Not be baptized, then years later hopefully you repent. Baptism is for believers. Plain and simple.

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      AndyTGD‏ @AndyTGD Nov 9
      Replying to @pastorErogers @HacimMb

      With respect, show me all the Apostles' successors who held to your model. You cannot limit Baptism - which is NT circumcision - to a command which was given to Jewish and Gentile converts. Pure reductionism.

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        2. Eric Rogers‏ @pastorErogers Nov 9
          Replying to @AndyTGD @HacimMb

          You can and should. Lack of faith prohibits one from being baptized. Early church must be taken with a grain of salt. Many held to baptismal regeneration. Sadly, some believe this. And just as circumcision resulted in pride and works emphasis, so does infant baptism.

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        3. Eric Rogers‏ @pastorErogers Nov 9
          Replying to @pastorErogers @AndyTGD @HacimMb

          Baptism apart from faith is fruitless.

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        4. AndyTGD‏ @AndyTGD Nov 9
          Replying to @pastorErogers @HacimMb

          Well, I for one, believe that God didn't abandon his Church for 1500 years on this issue. The fact that it was taken for granted as the practice of the Apostles speaks against you. Like circumcision, infants are in the external administration of the covenant.

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        5. Eric Rogers‏ @pastorErogers Nov 9
          Replying to @AndyTGD @HacimMb

          I'm sure Catholics would agree. No apostle preached or performed infant baptism. One enters the NC by faith, not baptism. And anyone can enter at anytime. A baptized baby has no advantage over an unbaptized baby. To think otherwise is to exalt pride and works.

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        6. AndyTGD‏ @AndyTGD Nov 9
          Replying to @pastorErogers @HacimMb

          And like Classical Theism, Catholics are correct on this issue - that it is not wrong to baptize infants. Folks don't get to come along thousands of years later and impose their theology on the universal practice of the Church; cutting infants out of the covenant.

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        7. AndyTGD‏ @AndyTGD Nov 9
          Replying to @AndyTGD @pastorErogers @HacimMb

          Infant baptism is a practice "the universal Church holds, not as instituted by councils but as something always held, is most correctly believed to have been handed down by apostolic authority." (Augustine, On Baptism, Against the Donatists 4:24:31)

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        8. Eric Rogers‏ @pastorErogers Nov 9
          Replying to @AndyTGD @HacimMb

          Augustine is not inspired. Good guy but wrong on a great many things.

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        9. AndyTGD‏ @AndyTGD Nov 9
          Replying to @pastorErogers @HacimMb

          Infant baptism is present in the fact that it is the equivalent of circumcision, there are household baptisms, and it has always been the practice of the Church. The man-made tradition is to deny what has plainly been a part of Christianity since its inception onward.

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