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    1. RRuiz1689‏ @RRuiz1689 Oct 27
      Replying to @PresbyPolemics @AndyTGD and

      Broad historical strokes for everyone today... 😉 Teasing you @PresbyPolemics but your "universal" claim needs a little work. As for the practice of your closely held tradition, see my other responses in thread. Broad strokes aren't helpful.

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    2. Dave‏ @PresbyPolemics Oct 27
      Replying to @RRuiz1689 @AndyTGD and

      You’re disagreeing that in the early church there wasn’t broad agreement (yes, almost universal) that infants were to be baptized?

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    3. Biblecia.com‏ @Biblecia Oct 27
      Replying to @PresbyPolemics @RRuiz1689 and

      Absolutely...I’d argue there was nothing of the sort from the earliest days. The case is strongest from the apostolic fathers (leaving the Apostles to the clarity of their own credo baptisms) that no one baptized infants until centuries later. Case in point: the Didache.

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    4. Dave‏ @PresbyPolemics Oct 27
      Replying to @Biblecia @RRuiz1689 and

      The didiche doesn’t address it, as it’s primarily addressing new believers. It obviously doesn’t speak against it even implicitly. It’s also quite agnostic as to the mode, so I don’t think that’s your best go-to.

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    5. ПΛƬΣ DӨЩПΣY‏ @DateNowney Oct 27
      Replying to @PresbyPolemics @Biblecia and

      It wouldn't have to address paedobaptism if it wasn't a thing in the first place...

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    6. Dave‏ @PresbyPolemics Oct 27
      Replying to @DateNowney @Biblecia and

      Lol. So you have an argument from silence. I have Tertullian 100 years later expressing it as a universal practice (albeit in a negative light). I think you’re overestimating doctrinal development in the first two centuries, but I imagine that’s where we disagree.

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    7. Big Mike‏ @1646BigMike Oct 27
      Replying to @PresbyPolemics @DateNowney and

      Origen and Hippolytus of Rome as well... 😉

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    8. RRuiz1689‏ @RRuiz1689 Oct 27
      Replying to @1646BigMike @PresbyPolemics and

      Please stop. Hippolytus is a huge reach bro... Trying to watch a game here. Please stop with the silliness...

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    9. AndyTGD‏ @AndyTGD Oct 27
      Replying to @RRuiz1689 @1646BigMike and

      Dude, from the facts, Polycarp was baptized as an infant (a disciple of John, no less). Justin Martyr stated, "Many, both men and women, who have been Christ’s disciples since childhood, remain pure at the age of sixty or seventy years" (Apology 1: 15). 1/2

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    10. ПΛƬΣ DӨЩПΣY‏ @DateNowney Oct 27
      Replying to @AndyTGD @RRuiz1689 and

      Why do you assume child = infant?

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      AndyTGD‏ @AndyTGD Oct 27
      Replying to @DateNowney @RRuiz1689 and

      Well, considering that Justin explicitly sees Baptism as the circumcision of the New Testament in his Dialog with Trypho, it wouldn't be a stretch to make the logical conclusions. ;)

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        2. RRuiz1689‏ @RRuiz1689 Oct 27
          Replying to @AndyTGD @DateNowney and

          Smily faces dont make statements true, bro. Let me know if you get to read baptism in the early church. Its written by two paedobaptist scholars.

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        3. AndyTGD‏ @AndyTGD Oct 27
          Replying to @RRuiz1689 @DateNowney and

          Please, fire me a link. I'd love to read it, for real. I'm just saying, we have a mountain of evidence from the late 1st and early 2nd century of a tradition of Infant baptism - I could go into archaeology as well. As long as we have records, its been in the Church.

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        4. AndyTGD‏ @AndyTGD Oct 27
          Replying to @AndyTGD @RRuiz1689 and

          Aside from Tertullian, who was no stranger to peculiar (and later, heretical) views, there simply is nobody speaking out about baptizing infants. Its just accepted as a normal part of Church practice, which in such a short period of time is odd on a Credo model.

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        5. RRuiz1689‏ @RRuiz1689 Oct 27
          Replying to @AndyTGD @DateNowney and

          Thanks for the talk though, men. Really leaving now as I'm headed to Fort Worth from San Antonio. Appreciate the time. 👊🏽✌🏽

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        6. AndyTGD‏ @AndyTGD Oct 27
          Replying to @RRuiz1689 @DateNowney and

          I appreciate it, take care and God bless. Safe journey! :)

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