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Postgres developer, working at Microsoft. Also: politics nerd, expat German in the US. Account for tech related things. For politics: @AndresFreundPol

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    1. The Man In The Cotton Mask‏ @fuzzychef 4 Jun 2019
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      Aren't most PostgreSQL businesses open core? EDB is, and so is 2nd Quad (BDR). Citus was. Maybe Crunchy doesn't have any proprietary Postgres extensions ...

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    2. Stephen Frost‏ @net_snow 4 Jun 2019
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      No, not all of the PostgreSQL businesses are open core.

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    3. The Man In The Cotton Mask‏ @fuzzychef 4 Jun 2019
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      I said "most". More: PipelineDB, AWS, Microsoft Azure, Command Prompt, Yahoo, SRA Inc., Translattice. It's a pretty well-established pattern in the Postgres community, and responsible for funding a bunch of PostgreSQL's development. Some vendors more than others.

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    4. Stephen Frost‏ @net_snow 4 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @fuzzychef @kjjaeger and

      I'd also point out that open-core is a business model, and a comment on businesses, it isn't a statement about a particular project. To say that PostgreSQL is "open-core" because some of the companies contributing to it use that model wouldn't make any sense.

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    5. The Man In The Cotton Mask‏ @fuzzychef 4 Jun 2019
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      You're arguing with a whole bunch of things I never said.

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    6. Stephen Frost‏ @net_snow 4 Jun 2019
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      Then it's unclear what you're looking for my opinion on.

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    7. The Man In The Cotton Mask‏ @fuzzychef 4 Jun 2019
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      "Historically, many PostgreSQL companies have been open core. Why is TimescaleDB special?"

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    8. Stephen Frost‏ @net_snow 4 Jun 2019
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      You mean beyond what started this thread...? I don't know that they are.

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    9. The Man In The Cotton Mask‏ @fuzzychef 4 Jun 2019
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      Phone Home isn't particulary a property of open core. Heck, we discussed doing it when I was at Sun. (I talked them out of it due to potential backlash)

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    10. Stephen Frost‏ @net_snow 4 Jun 2019
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      I tend to agree with @kjjaeger about how it sets up the corporate interests against that of the community. What may have been lacking in this case were heavily involved contributors to the project who were valued enough to argue back against the corporate interests and be heard.

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      Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 4 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @net_snow @fuzzychef and

      Or just that startups often are heavily pressured to get this kind of data from investors (or to get investors). Hard to resist that as an individual contributor.

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        2. The Man In The Cotton Mask‏ @fuzzychef 4 Jun 2019
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          Not even just startups. At Sun we were pressured to get solid user counts to justify our support headcount.

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        3. Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 4 Jun 2019
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          Replying to @fuzzychef @net_snow and

          Sure, but I think that's a less existential (on a company wide level at least) form of pressure.

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        2. Peter van Hardenberg‏ @pvh 4 Jun 2019
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          This is very true. "Why should we give you money?" "People are using our stuff!" "What evidence do you have of that?"

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        3. Peter van Hardenberg‏ @pvh 4 Jun 2019
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          In Cloud-Land not only do you know how many people are using your software, you can tell what features they use and how often, whether they're hitting errors... it makes it vastly easier to write good software and make good decisions.

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