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    1. Dave Cramer‏ @dave_cramer 16 Apr 2019
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      And while people seem to be bemoaning the use of mailing lists as archaic, they are extremely valuable for history. I miss them terribly on the pgJdbc project.

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    2. Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 16 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @dave_cramer @Eulerizeit and

      I do think there's a serious issue in that one cannot realistically assume that a casual contributor can read -hackers. It's just too much.

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    3. Magnus Hagander‏ @magnushagander 16 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @AndresFreundTec @dave_cramer and

      there is no need to actually to that to contribute though, is it? I mean, you'll need to cherry pick and read some (through our archives ,or some other aggregate site), but you don't need to actually subscribe with full mail delivery.

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    4. Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 16 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @magnushagander @dave_cramer and

      Well, then every email of such a casual contributor will get delayed. Sure, they could subscribe, and then disable delivery. But that's a somewhat arcane process.

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    5. Magnus Hagander‏ @magnushagander 16 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @AndresFreundTec @dave_cramer and

      As for subscribe/disable, the process is "pick list, pick address, click confirm, click edit, check box to disable delivery". How is that arcane? And would it help to put that checkbox on subscription page?

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    6. Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 16 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @magnushagander @dave_cramer and

      I'd *bet* that the number of new contributors that would think of doing so so is pretty close to zero. They'll suffer through the torrent of emails for a few days, and then unsubscribe. If we documented that as a basic step of a new "casual contributor guide", maybe?

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    7. Magnus Hagander‏ @magnushagander 16 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @AndresFreundTec @dave_cramer and

      either that, or just advise them not to subscribe, and to just accept slight moderation delay?

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    8. Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 16 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @magnushagander @dave_cramer and

      Doesn't the mailing list code send an email back saying that the email was delayed as sender isn't subscribed? I think that'll indicate to new people they'll did something wrong.

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    9. Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 16 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @AndresFreundTec @magnushagander and

      Wonder if we could just advise to create a community account and use that email. And then allow unmoderated emails from emails matching that database? Not sure how realistic it is to tie them together however.

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    10. Magnus Hagander‏ @magnushagander 16 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @AndresFreundTec @dave_cramer and

      they'd have to log into the list server at least. That said, right now it's enough to be subscribed to *any* list in order to be aallowed to post to most others. We could create a mode that says you just have to log into the listserver (which confirms your addr)

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      Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 16 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @magnushagander @dave_cramer and

      Why can't we avoid the need to log in? Couldn't pglister have a hook that checks other databases and auto-creates a local record? Or the community account could push knowledge into pglister's database?

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        2. Magnus Hagander‏ @magnushagander 16 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @AndresFreundTec @dave_cramer and

          Let me rephrase. Once you have created your account you have to visit the lists website, that'll put the data in there. You don't have to separately log in.

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        3. Andres Freund (Tech)‏ @AndresFreundTec 16 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @magnushagander @dave_cramer and

          Yea, I got that. Still think it'd be reasonable to remove that friction by eagerly creating the pglister entry when creating an account (and probably just always update the account's email upon change as an authorized sender address for pglister) .

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