And while people seem to be bemoaning the use of mailing lists as archaic, they are extremely valuable for history. I miss them terribly on the pgJdbc project.
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Replying to @dave_cramer @Eulerizeit and
I do think there's a serious issue in that one cannot realistically assume that a casual contributor can read -hackers. It's just too much.
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Replying to @AndresFreundTec @dave_cramer and
there is no need to actually to that to contribute though, is it? I mean, you'll need to cherry pick and read some (through our archives ,or some other aggregate site), but you don't need to actually subscribe with full mail delivery.
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Replying to @magnushagander @dave_cramer and
Well, then every email of such a casual contributor will get delayed. Sure, they could subscribe, and then disable delivery. But that's a somewhat arcane process.
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Replying to @AndresFreundTec @dave_cramer and
As for subscribe/disable, the process is "pick list, pick address, click confirm, click edit, check box to disable delivery". How is that arcane? And would it help to put that checkbox on subscription page?
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Replying to @magnushagander @dave_cramer and
I'd *bet* that the number of new contributors that would think of doing so so is pretty close to zero. They'll suffer through the torrent of emails for a few days, and then unsubscribe. If we documented that as a basic step of a new "casual contributor guide", maybe?
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Replying to @AndresFreundTec @dave_cramer and
either that, or just advise them not to subscribe, and to just accept slight moderation delay?
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Replying to @magnushagander @dave_cramer and
Doesn't the mailing list code send an email back saying that the email was delayed as sender isn't subscribed? I think that'll indicate to new people they'll did something wrong.
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Replying to @AndresFreundTec @magnushagander and
Wonder if we could just advise to create a community account and use that email. And then allow unmoderated emails from emails matching that database? Not sure how realistic it is to tie them together however.
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Replying to @AndresFreundTec @dave_cramer and
they'd have to log into the list server at least. That said, right now it's enough to be subscribed to *any* list in order to be aallowed to post to most others. We could create a mode that says you just have to log into the listserver (which confirms your addr)
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Why can't we avoid the need to log in? Couldn't pglister have a hook that checks other databases and auto-creates a local record? Or the community account could push knowledge into pglister's database?
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Replying to @AndresFreundTec @dave_cramer and
Let me rephrase. Once you have created your account you have to visit the lists website, that'll put the data in there. You don't have to separately log in.
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Replying to @magnushagander @dave_cramer and
Yea, I got that. Still think it'd be reasonable to remove that friction by eagerly creating the pglister entry when creating an account (and probably just always update the account's email upon change as an authorized sender address for pglister) .
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